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Dammit! I was going to drop 500 Bucks into the Beer Fund!

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Legal buzz kills 'beer for soldiers' Internet site


By Seth Robson, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Monday, October 4, 2004

CAMP RED CLOUD, South Korea — The 2nd Brigade soldier who created www.beerforsoldiers.com, a Web site that lets people buy a beer online for a U.S. soldier, has been ordered to stop running his site.

Sgt. Dale Rogers, in Iraq with Company C, 1st Battalion (air assault), 503rd Infantry Regiment, posted a notice on the site last week informing readers that he is turning it over to his brother.

A spokesman for the 2nd Infantry Division’s 2nd Brigade Combat Team, which includes 1-503, said in an e-mail that lawyers from the unit rendered a legal opinion that the Web site violated the Joint Ethics Regulation.

“The soldier seems to be using his association with



the Army as a way to solicit funds for beer. Whatever his intentions, and I’m sure they are genuine and pure, (the Web site is) … illegal. I noted … however, that the site is still up and running. I am confident it will be shut down soon,” the spokesman said.

Last week Rogers posted a defiant message on the Web site in response to the order.

“I won’t back down! Stand me up at the gates of hell and I won’t back down,” the message said, quoting a Tom Petty song.

“I am currently serving somewhere outside of Fallujah, Iraq. My Web site is going through a change; I am turning over this Web site to my brother due to legal pukes who say a soldier cannot solicit beer donations to increase the morale of his fellow soldiers. What a crock! But I am a soldier and I have to comply,” Rogers wrote.

By Sunday night beerforsoldiers. com had adopted the slogan “The Web site where you cannot buy us a beer.”

Rogers set up the site in February before joining 1-503 in South Korea, where the unit was based before deploying to Iraq last month.

Beerforsoldiers.com used to let donors click on links that charged their credit cards for anything from $2 for a 40-oz. bottle of beer to $6 for a “tall beer from the bar,” to $7 for a six-pack. Other donation options included $10 for a “pitcher” or $20 for a “keg club.”

The site includes dozens of photographs of soldiers enjoying the beer.

In South Korea, Rogers spent money collected from the Web site buying drinks for soldiers at local bars. He had intended to save money generated by the site while he is in Iraq, where soldiers are not allowed to drink alcohol, for drinks during a midtour leave in Qatar and a homecoming party for soldiers at the end of his one-year tour, he said.

Now, clicking on the “Don’t buy us beer” link at beerforsoldiers.com takes you to a page with the word “violation” displayed six times, an invitation to the and the message: “We would still love for you to buy us a beer but the legal folks say you can’t.”

Donations rose sharply after Stars and Stripes ran a story about the site in September, he said.

An e-mail from Rogers stated he was ordered to “cease and desist” running the site at the behest of the Army’s lawyers.

However, Ron Buchholz, a civilian attorney for the Department of the Army, Judge Advocate General, Standards of Conduct Branch in Washington, said he merely sent Rogers’ command an e-mail stating that the site raised legal and ethical issues.

Buchholz said he has no authority to issue orders to soldiers but acknowledged that an order from Rogers’ command may have been a response to his e-mail.

Federal regulations make it illegal for federal employees, including soldiers, to solicit or receive gifts. But numerous complicated exceptions to those rules mean legal opinions often are sought when people want to give soldiers presents, Buchholz said.

The shaven-headed infantryman does not appear happy about the Army’s ban on beer donations.

“You’d think that a soldier risking his life in a war zone, usually under enemy attacks almost daily, could at least have the right to maintain a morale builder for his fellow brothers, such as this Web site,” Rogers said.

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Poor guys.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
Looks likes it's bathtub gin for them.



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Well no more care packages. But the gren line in Baghdad and perhaps a few places in South Korea can serve as alchohol hook-ups. They'd just have to be brave and run with the locals.

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http://www.beerforsoldiers.com/


Well His Command can Play Garrison Army all they want and just Fuckn "Blow me" away!

500 Bucks in the Mail Compliments of the Mudd residence.

Some how they dicked up the link.

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

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And there probably is a surplus of the golden elixir. Might as well not let it go to waste, for a heroic cause & all. God willing it wouldn't hit me too hard and cause me to rant about the guy on the main page looking like Mr Clean. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

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$500, Mudd!!!??
What do you do that makes you able to shell out that much scratch for brew??? I wish I could help. That would unfortunately cut into my beer money... <i>on second thought, it's a worthy cause.
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I gotta go career shopping.



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See mudd is redistributing the wealth everytime he picks up some alcholic sob car because he spent the money beer, he takes the money from repo and buys the beer for the needy.

NOW sniper if you start running around like robin hood in tights, we will be forced to disown you.

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I dont repo Cars.

I have patents, A medical retirement to cash in on. I have more money than time.

The way I look at it. I am passing along funding to a Grunt risking all in combat. Sure I have cut my fangs there in the past. I can afford to give away my medical check in hopes of bringing peace in a warriors soul.

Cancer will kill me long before Combat would have. I was denied that Honor.

I will expend all disposable cash I can to Honoring those men and women, For creating the conditions that protect my family, Community and Country.

"The power to Destroy the planet, is insignifigant to the power of the Air Force----Mudd Vader

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<img src=newicons/smiley_salute.gif border=0 align=middle> mudd


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As for the patents, that's great!
However, I always thought the company you worked for gets the patent money.

Spend as much as you want for their brew; they deserve it.
If I could, I'd ship a whole beer factory over there; they even did it twice in WWII.



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caffinated beer to the rescue. Just what every GI needs in place of a good cup of joe.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/05/news/fo ... tm?cnn=yes

Sorry to hear about your situation Mudd. But one could look at it this way your the last pilot on earth to hijack--haji would have no leverage in that negociation.


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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> caffinated beer to the rescue. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Not for THIS "retrosexual"!

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