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..for 16 yr old son's birthday.

Give me a freaking break.......

Seriously, if the kid is 16 in the South, I doubt this was the first (or second or third) time he's seen a <gasp> naked woman. Odds are, he's probably done more than just looked at that point.

More importantly, where in the law does it say "You can't hire a stripper for your 16 year old's birthday?" <b>It's another example of a southern state trying to force their morals and parenting opinions on their citizens. I imagine if they had hired a bible thumping preacher to speak, they probably wouldn't have said anything.</b> If they had rented XXX odds are, they woulda lost their rental card, not had the cops come. But since it was a real, live stripper (which I think is still a legal profession) it was different. The LAST thing I need is the state telling me how to raise my kid. I get enough of that from my own family. If the 16 year old were in any danger, then I could see the state stepping in. But since he's a minor (and therefore should NEVER be exposed to sex in any way, shape, form or fashion....severe sarcasm here!) they felt it was their duty to punish someone for....er, something.

More reasons I believe freedom in the US of A is becoming more and more of a joke every damn day. And the sheep living here don't care to do anything about it.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/ ... -headlines

We'll get to a breaking point eventually.

I just hope that when it comes it's not already 'too late'.

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Well dude I would excpect some kind of discipline for parents that got a sixteen year old a stripper. I'm sure that his kid had seen dope, and trashy language but doesnt invite him to use it in the house. Some people may look at it and say that its another example of parents not enforcing any morals on their kids, which is part problem with alot of todays youth. Would your parents have rented you a stripper 7 at 16 years old ?

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In Pa 16 is the age of consent.

No charges would've even been filed here.

Besides, a typical kid sees boobies long before his 16th birthday...usually up close and personal, lol.

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Might be too eraly to tell, but there could be a pattern of crooked cops gone wild thanks to the patriot act. It seems to be limited to law enforcment exceeding their authority.

And some of them are highly suspect in some trouble I've been having with mail getting through to me. All of which consisted of business with the Military in some capacity or another, not entirely a bad thing if it comes to what Snipe predicted. Just look at semi-lawless places such as Azerbaijan for example, the police push around whoever they feel like...except the Miltary, who usually pushes them around.

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Have I missed something? There is a serious difference of opinion here. It seems to me that the local law enforcement in this Tennessee community think strippers at teen age birthday parties is unacceptable behavior by itself, not to mention all the other illicit activities stuff like that will promote. If they have the local support (votes), don't they have the freedom to make and enforce local laws? Are you saying that some form of Federal agency should tell them how to run their community? Are they trying to export this "extra" morality to other states? The opposite is more likely. If it was my community and my teenagers were at this party, I would be kicking ass and taking names. If there wasn't any law against it, there would be soon, as some legislator would see an opportunity to represent me. I dont' give a damn about how you raise your kids until it affects how I am trying to raise mine. If you want to give your boy a sex party for a birthday present, then keep me and my kids out of it. Your freedom stops there.

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It seems to me that the local law enforcement in this Tennessee community think strippers at teen age birthday parties is unacceptable behavior by itself, not to mention all the other illicit activities stuff like that will promote. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Illicit activities, like what?

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If they have the local support (votes), don't they have the freedom to make and enforce local laws? Are you saying that some form of Federal agency should tell them how to run their community?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Not saying that all. I am saying that the state shouldn't be in the living rooms of each and every person telling them every detail of what they should be doing. Do you support a "thought police" looking over your shoulder of every single thing you do?

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Are they trying to export this "extra" morality to other states? The opposite is more likely.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Nope. Like I said above, the state is trying to force itself into everyone's living rooms. I guess you prefer a more 1984-ish legal system out there. You can keep that.

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If it was my community and my teenagers were at this party, I would be kicking ass and taking names. If there wasn't any law against it, there would be soon, as some legislator would see an opportunity to represent me.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Oh please, spare me the freaking morality lesson. That's a great idea.....create more laws inhibiting personal freedom. Your way of thinking is exactly the same ultra-right wing morality-police thinking that seeks to make new laws for everything just so there can be more big government. Who's to say YOUR way should become law, and <b>who the hell are you</b> to DEMAND legislation be made for everyone else based on YOUR likes and desires, with your whole "If there wasn't a law against it, there would be soon." Like it or not, whether in alignment with yours or not, those parents are/were instilling morals of <b>their</b> choosing, <b>as is their right.</b> Who the hell are you to think YOU can strongarm some legislator to make things your way.

With people with your thinking in charge, we'll soon have "your papers please......" at state border checkpoints.

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I dont' give a damn about how you raise your kids until it affects how I am trying to raise mine. If you want to give your boy a sex party for a birthday present, then keep me and my kids out of it. Your freedom stops there.
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My freedom stops there. And your freedom stops from imposing your will on anyone else.....like trying to make laws with legislators "willing to represent you." No one was forced to be there, no one was being held against their will. Why should others respect your morals when you don't do the same? You made a judgment about the parenting skills of these parents based on nothing more than their contrast with your morals. And that's outright hypocrisy, IMHO. And speaking of creating a law against it, let's discuss that....

I dont think its fair to legislate morals based on a particular religion/belief system. This would say that the government is favoring one over the other which goes against damn near everything this country was founded upon. Just because something doesn't fit in with <b>your</b> morals, doesn't mean its wrong. It just means it is wrong for you. Parents should be able to raise their children as they wish as long as it doesn't hurt anybody.

There are other countries all over the world whre nudity is an accepted part of life, are these places imoral in your eyes as well?

When did seeing someone naked, even in a semi erotic manner become such a big deal - it's only skin. I would certainly like to see the research where it proves that seeing a stripper at the age of 16 means you are going to lack morals, and grow up to be a burden on society.

Whether I agree or not on what these particular parents are doing is immaterial. I do, however, have a HUGE problem with the state being in the homes of everyone more and more and more, especially post 9/11.

In the direction we're headed as a nation [and the direction you seemingly support], we can kiss the American Way as we know it, goodbye.





Edited by - Type 7 on Jul 12 2005 08:11 AM

I'm not understanding you Type 7. If you have the votes, get your point of view to prevail in your community. However, you are not being persuasive to me. If you come to my community and throw a party for teenagers with strippers as entertainment, I am going to object and expect my local prosecutors to do their duty. I have been to strip joints in my youth and have observed illicit activity being solicited and encouraged by the professionals, such as prostitution, gambling, underage imbibing of alcoholic beverages, illegal drug sales, hard core pornography and "novely" sales, etc., etc. I managed to avoid permanent damage, but I do not wish to tempt fate with my own children. I am not "pushing" my morality on anyone. This is a democratic republic and I vote for representatives that do what I want, and against those who do not. When there is a consensus among the representatives, laws are enacted. All laws restrict behavior of some sort. I don't like speed limits, seat belt laws, helmet laws, DDT and CFC bans, gun controls, the designated hitter, and on and on, but I haven't got the votes. In any case, I do not presume to speak for you and your community. If you can get your elected leaders to see it your way, then by all means throw stripper parties for teenagers. I don't live there so have at it.

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