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10 ft??

well i think it's fake

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/12/01/210889/video-confusion-over-location-of-kc-135-tanker-flight-over-desert-at-10ft-altitude.html

I have seen this vid on more sites and forums this week, and each has the same question as you. You can't see dust twist around after the plane. With those engines and that speed and high you can expact a little vibration after it. But the shadow and that sort is good.
So I don't know. And those points what I said is mine opinion from what I see, not what I read or hear about it.


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I'm not seeing any dust or roostertail, either. And a <u>french</u> desert? I call <img src=newicons/anim_bs.gif border=0 align=middle> on this one. IMHO, of course.

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Don't forget, the France has training routes in some old colonies/countries. So that makes it real about the dessert. Further see my first answer about this.

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Can't tell if it's real or not but after seeing some of the things a C-17 did in Afghanland during take off I'll belive anything now.


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I didn't think of it like that. Are you referring to that C-17 that "buzzed the tower"? Sideways? At maybe 150' AGL? I thought for sure he was crashing.

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While I'm not saying that the tanker can't fly in this manner, I think whoever faked this screwed up on size and the position of the shadow.
The plane looks too small for how close it goes by.
As for the shadow, it starts off in front of the plane and quickly moves to behind the plane. The way the shadow moves is as if the light source was coming from straight in front of the camera and a LITTLE above the plane's altitude. Considering the sun being the light source, in this small amount of ground covered, I think the shadow should stay very close to the same position in relation to the plane. Not to mention, stay with me here, the shadow starts out IN FRONT of the plane, which means the sun has to be BEHIND the plane. Then the shadow ends up BEHIND the plane, putting the sun IN FRONT of the plane, making the light source traveling faster than the plane. That's my opinion, anyway.

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Edited by - hogdog on Dec 07 2006 19:27

Edited by - hogdog on Dec 07 2006 19:36

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The size versus the distance it seems to be at get me. As well as the fact that I think that a plane flying that close to the camera would be there and gone before you can slew the camera.

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Edited by - 30mike-mike on Dec 08 2006 05:30

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the Wisconsin ANG KC-135s do touch and go's at the Gerald Ford International airport in Grand Rapids, MI. Our warehouse is maybe 3/4ths of a mile from the runway and they pass over at about 500-1000 feet right overhead and that plane is HUUUUGEEE!!!

from the the filming point, i bet they are no more than 100-150 feet from it passing by. the new engines are very quiet, but at that altitude, they'd have to on full throttle to keep off the ground. it should be alot louder flying by.

i think its fake, but very well done

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The guys over on the Porsche site i post at(lot of pilots drive Porsches apparently) they all say it's a real video.

Whatever, i just think it looks cool. LOL.

Here are a couple other REAL cool ones:

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First off... presuming the vid is real that plane isn't 10'AGL its more on the order of 60'AGL (the KC10 is listed as 58' tall, you could easily fit another KC10 under this one... well if both planes were static and you had a way to deafet the laws of physics[gravity]it'd be easy...) the shadow movement could easily be a perspective trick, its not actually under the aircraft, but ofset to the left side maybe 30'....

but I think its BS... notice the group of 4 vehicles and any number of people that the AC flies by, I think they'd be hit by wingtip votices (sp?) but maybe I'm off on that...

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I will say this I worked on 747s for a while and I have seen a 747 do a real low high speed pass and if you didnt know it was comming you didnt hear a thing untill it was well past you the runway was as close as they had been maybe even closer. If you think this is a big aircraft to be playing these types of games this is almost the same airframe that was rolled on its comming out showing I think it was a boat race or something. The pilot just got the airspeed up and did it with out approval he just did it just for kicks.

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I say BS, there are no dust bunnies from the exhaust or the wingtip vortices that travel down from the wing tips. The size looks hokey to me also.

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I still say the shadow is messed up. Whether it is to the side or not, it should still stay in the same place relative to the jet. Ask the pilots on the Porsche forum to explain that one....

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I'm with Goob on the 707 's first "Fly-BY"! The pilot for Boeing did a Roll with this kind of Airframe at its coming out party.
Now in the KC version could be another story.

The Shadow really to me doesnt' mean much unless you know where the Sun is at the time plus the angle of where the video being taken.

But being around KC-135's and RC-135's in PACAF,plus in Goobs backyard at Grissom The NOISE at that distance would be
DEAFING! Even with the Turbo-Fans that WHINE would be loud!

The Dust trail,I would put it to the Hawg test, A-10 taxing out of chocks on a Desert sand covered taxi way BLOWS SAND not for a long time but long enough, Watching Hawg'S Take-off from KFIA they would leave dust swirls.

So I think the video could be real but, that Tanker is alot higher than they say and those Guys have tobe if its REAL a good distance away but it would still look BIG.

If that Video was taken at Ground level,not on a what looks like tobe a ridge line that bird would be alot higher.

But I'm puzzled by the engine sound as it passes by like 30MM said
"It would Shake you and the noise you'd know it"

Its been Doctored some how but I guess the Jet is moving to fast I dont see any hints of Markings on it. Do any of you?

You would have to know the scale of those "Trees its flying over etc..."


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Here's a link to that porsche site thread.

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Regardless of where the sun is or the camera's perspective, the shadow should stay in the same place in relation to the plane. But it moves from in front of the plane to behind it. The only thing that would affect the shadow position is the plane's proximity to the sun. In this case, the plane moves from in front of the sun to behind the sun. That is physically impossible. If the sun is behind the plane, and the plane travels in the same direction, it will stay behind the plane. It can't be real just by the shadow alone.

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What HogDog said. The only way the shadow would move like that is if the plane were static and the sun moved across it during the day. Creatoers overplayed their hand.

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Fake...

The shadow gives it away. Look at the length and position of all the other shadows.

The sun was very, very low and when the camera is perpendicular to the flight path, the sun seems to be at about 135 deg CCW and approx 45 deg elevation.

This means the shadow would be offset more from the plane.

Again at the time the camera is perpendicular the planes shadow suggests the sun is almost vertically above.

As for French desserts, they still do have a lot of dependencies in Africa. So that side of the story is possible.

Just my $0.02

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Hell I'll go with the group,shadow,size its a Fake but a pretty good one,got a thread here.

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