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Ok, this is going a little bit over the F---ING LINE NOW!

http://www.cq.com/public/20051209_homeland.html


CQ HOMELAND SECURITY – INTELLIGENCE
Dec. 9, 2005 – 8:57 p.m.
TSA Wants Access to Veterans’ Files to Add ‘Mental Defectives’ to Watch List
By Jeff Stein, National Security Editor
Is there an efficient, legal way to keep crazy people off airplanes altogether, like the manic depressive man shot dead at the Miami airport last week?

As it turns out, the government was taking steps in that direction almost a month before Rigoberto Alpizar was plugged by U.S. air marshals after he ran down the Jetway with a bundle in his hands while saying, according to the government, that he had a bomb.

A Nov. 15 notice put out by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), which is always thinking about new ways to keep potentially dangerous people off our airliners, states TSA is looking for contractors to add a number of new databases for screening passengers and airport workers.

Up first are the files of the Defense Department (DoD) and Veterans Administration (VA), which the TSA says it wants scoured for “mental defectives.”

As if troubled veterans didn’t have enough to worry about. According to a 2004 Government Accountability Office (GAO) study, about 15 percent of the soldiers coming home from the intense guerrilla wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are likely to be afflicted with what was once called “combat fatigue.”

The New England Journal of Medicine also reported in 2004 that “15.6 percent to 17.1 percent of returning soldiers from Iraq exhibited signs of anxiety, major depression or other mental health problems.”

Today those symptoms are lumped together in what’s called post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, which afflicted hundreds of thousands of soldiers who came home from Vietnam combat with “a thousand-yard stare” and fell into depression, suicide, alcoholism and drug abuse.

One of them might be sitting next to you on an airplane: More than half, or 53 percent, of the 1 million combat veterans of Vietnam were afflicted to one degree or another, said a four-year, $9 million study published by the VA in 1990.

And the trend line for the new generation of veterans is going north. The number who sought help for depression at VA clinics in 2004 grew tenfold over the year before, according to the Los Angeles Times.

“In all, 23 percent of Iraq veterans treated at VA facilities have been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder,” it said. The VA is struggling to keep up with services for the troubled veterans, GAO said, thus exiling many to the streets, where they could be walking time bombs.

Secret Codes
The military services used to put a secret code for “mental disorders” on veterans’ discharge papers until the practice was exposed and banned in 1974. As it turned out, the numbers weren’t secret at all to potential employers and others who knew how to decipher them.

Maybe now they won’t be secret to the airlines and the TSA, either.

But one puzzling aspect of the TSA’s plan is that DoD and the VA may not even have a classification for vets who are “mental defectives.”

A VA spokeswoman who has worked at the agency for 22 years said she had never heard of such a category, but she didn’t want her name used until she could make a thorough inquiry.

DoD spokeswoman Lt. Col. Ellen G. Krenke flatly declared, “There is no such category” in military records. But, she added by e-mail, “The only area where information such as this may be contained is in the section for standard separation program designator codes. However . . . this information is stamped ‘For Official Use Only’ and will not be furnished to any agency or individual outside the Department of Defense.”

David Addlestone, an Air Force judge advocate from 1966 to 1968 and author of “The Rights of Veterans,” said that years ago the armed services had a “personality disorder discharge” for people who couldn’t adjust to military life, but he said he wasn’t sure it still existed.

Yet the TSA notice, called a “sources sought” inquiry and first reported by Government Security News, reads: “Examples of new data sources would be DoD files for military service histories or VA files for lists of persons who have been declared mental defectives.”

TSA spokesman Darrin Kayser did not have an immediate explanation for the apparent contradiction late Friday but said he would look into it.

The prospect of a return of secret codes that could amount to a blanket flight ban against troubled veterans upsets John Terzano, vice president of the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation.

If it’s true, Terzano said, “This is a really, really shameful thing. Veterans do get traumatized by war, of course. But for all their pain and sacrifice, to have the government looking over their shoulder and putting their names in a database is unconscionable.”

For TSA data-hunters, though, it’s just the beginning.

“We plan to add two new data sources per year,” its notice said.

I'm driving from now on,

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Hmm Mentally Defective. Sounds Like judicial Prejudice to me.

So heres my Solution. For every year spent in a Warzone. The service member is issued 1 Million Dollars Cash, 4-star Hotel Room, Located on the Beach of The Virgin islands. For 5 years. His Commanding Officer is required to check up on him ata seedy bar of his choising to ensure he has proper and correct supervision. The SNCO will be responsible for scheduleing PT/Training Hours. The NCO will be sure to ensure the Commanding officers mission is completed, Thereby providing copous ammounts of Liquor and hookers, to help brain wash out all those things that made him preassumed "Mentally Defective" by some liberal Nazi asshole from Boston. once he serves his time, He can then be granted entrance to the US of liberal A.

If he ends up Blowing some one away, Such as Jodie that ran away with his girl, He will be charged for a hate crime (truly just of course) if he burns down the location of the TSA. Well I suppose he is "Mentally Defective"

But hey we got enough wannabe back wood Knuckleheads plotting the demise of our way of life. let the justice dept go play delivernce with them.

So lets do ourselves a favor and Make sure when johnnie gets his gun, he gets his reward too. Oversexed , Over payed and over there on a Sandy little Beach saying...FUCKIT..Life is getting better!






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Mudd, I like your thinking on this one. I couldnt believe it at first,but thought it was one of those "Wacko Media sites" then cross referanced it to other papers and sites thats why I chose the "CQ"

I'm screwed ANYWAY ,
they gave me some steroids during a flare-up of MS and it caused a Psychotic reaction and they took me off of it before it went too far.So I'm admitted for IV treatment while everyone else gets it at home self administered
5% of the people who get the setroids by IV have this
adverse side-effect,you think I'd have that kind of luck with the Lotto.
So thats on my record at the VA.
I'll just stay home and the Girls can drive now,let them visit me.

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One more thing that REALLY FROSTS MY ASS,

Its bad enough that some 19-or 20yr old comes back and they "Blacklist" him because of the TSA, But he wont even be able to go get a F-ing beer or smoke to clam himself down because of his age and some of these stupid ass laws that say he or she isnt old enough.

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This is crazy bullshit. This is the One thing that piss Vets the Fuck off. it seems the vets are the only one carrying bush right now. and it is already showing slippage.... the divorces and overzealous deployments continue.. oh boy Dont think I could stand another clinton regime for the next 25 years.

Brings to the whole problem of war. Either outright Kick their fucking ass to oblivion, or just turn an Eye and ignore it. Aint worth the trouble if we gotta play all this Hug kisses and teddy bear bullshit for our enemy's



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Amen Bro


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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>

Brings to the whole problem of war. Either outright Kick their fucking ass to oblivion, or just turn an Eye and ignore it. Aint worth the trouble if we gotta play all this Hug kisses and teddy bear bullshit for our enemy's
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Well put.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Up first are the files of the Defense Department (DoD) and Veterans Administration (VA), which the TSA says it wants scoured for “mental defectives.”<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

This is a stupid and useless idea. If it were so easy to tell who was going to go postal at any minute, why restrict this practice to airliner screening? Stop crimes from happening all over. And there is that pesky problem of who screens the screeners, etc., etc. Consider the plot of the movie "Minority Report".

<i>Plot Outline: In the future, criminals are caught before the crimes they commit, but one of the officers in the special unit is accused of one such crime and sets out to prove his innocence.</i>

Besides, I am a mental defective and so are all my business associates. They would be stopping 50% of commercial air travel with this idea. The biggest mental defective is the a-hole who came up with this idea.

And this is a bullshit statistic promoted but 60's radical peaceniks

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>More than half, or 53 percent, of the 1 million combat veterans of Vietnam were afflicted to one degree or another, said a four-year, $9 million study published by the VA in 1990.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I'll make up a statistic too. 73.257% of the people you see everyday are mentally ill from some personal tragedy, disease, or injury. Any one of them could snap and kill us all. Some of them are in positions of public trust. They all should be in institutions so that I can go about my life without fear. It's everyone else that is crazy, not me.






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That's just crazy-talk, stress.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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