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Goob,

Yep your right If I could I rather be \"eating sand crewing an A-10\" then anything else.
But from experience you know like I know this is just because some \"Office Jockey\" wants to look like \"John Wayne\".
No different then when the Army in the 90's decided they everyone gets a \"Beret \"

Its a \"useless change,thats going to cost at least $500.00 bucks at least to start complying with the reg's .
Unless you guys got \"ONE HELL'VA PAY RAISE\" or they are giving you more than \"$300\" a year for uniforms because you better believe the increase might at most be $84.00\" its TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE.
I'd like to know one thing too \"How do these \"New Boots\" handle the rain and snow? or chemicals like Hydro fluid?
I got ahold of a pair of the Desert Boots before I got out, when I was waiting to see if I was going to get my SSB approved or end up in Somalia
and I wore them for a few days and they looked like \"Shit!\"
Have they improved the new boots?
this is just some \"Out load thinking ok\" but the Jungle boots worked well,plus you didnt sweat in them,and the new combat boots they had given to replace the old \"Steel toes\" since all leather would repel. almost anything .

I have agree with everyone for the most part, use what everyone else is using.
No more squadron patches, wing, AMU, etc....no more Unit hats man talk about \"Killing morale\"

Maybe I wouldnt care for the new USAF, I'll just support the troops.

Goose

Goose,
Supposedly, the green suede boots won't be as hard to clean, but we are gonna be in desert boots until they are ready...which will be black suede within a couple months.

I agree with what you said about the patches. as big of a pain as it is to change them with each PCS, they do mean something and it will be a loss.

--Raven

Reading through fenderstrat's post and one thing stuck out in my mind



Now if I remember correctly I got a lot more wear out of my BDU's, but I'm not sure what the actual estimated wear life of the uniform was.

Question for those of you who remember the transition from fatigues to the BDU, what was the Air Force's reason for going to the BDU in the first place? Wasn't it that we were all one team, one fight and they wanted all of us to look like same? Also I remember them stating that it would cost the military less money because they could go through one contractor as opposed to one for each branch of the military. Seems as though we've gone full circle once again.

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Lil Hitler,

YOU HIT IT !RIGHT ON THE HEAD!!!!
That was why we went to the BDU's to be \"One team, and Cost less\".

And the 12 month wear, come on if pressing them or starch takes away from the \"IR\" QUALITIES do they have a specific washing period like
\"Only be washed 1 once a a week \" etc....
Why not just issue the \"IR\" BDU's Hell I still have my \"IR\" parka.

I'll quit soap boxing.

Goose

The whole \"no starch\" thing is bullshit as well. Dont BDU's say do not starch on the label? Oh, thats right, THEY DO! And almost everyone starches the hell out of them. We all know damn well that the ABU will be starched soon. No matter how much they say no that it won't. My roommate just graduated ALS last week, and he said that the Command Chief came to talk to his class, wearing the ABU, and guess what... it was starched.
$84 is WAY to expensive for a uniform. They get rid of the wing and squadron patches because they are \"useless\" but we keep the specialty badge? Are you serious? They all look the same unless you are 2 inches away from it. Purple boots? They must be really trying to make us look like a bunch of cream puffs. And keeping the retarded top pockets on the shirt not slanted was smart, becuase I just hate being able to use them, and nothing would have made them easier to use than slanting them. I have gotten WAY more use out of BDU's than 1 year per pair. When I wear coveralls, they last me a couple years. There is not one thing I like about the new uniform. I will be wearing the BDU until the last day available in 2011.

Ravan we are not evan going into that subject I could fill novels. But you are not getting what I am saying, you make one uniform for all branches (no madder where you go you are ready) you do not have to stock for differant branches. If deploying you would have more room for other needed cargo. As far as parts \"we\" are always here to supply you with what we can. You can ask around the board about me ( hopefully the legit stuff) they will tell you what we have done in the past and some different ideas for you to get what you need. The depots are there to work through these problems just some times they also need some help and ideas.

Goob,
I understand you, I was just saying that multiple uniforms are less of a financial constraint than other issues. What is the cost of the AF changing compared to the USN/USMCs multiple uniforms?

As far as parts, I know the depots do their jobs and do it well. I have dealt with item managers at W-R in the past, and had decent experiences and success with them. What is \"broke\" is the upchannel communications to let you guys know what is needed. When RSS magically chnages priorities, because they don't know what an item is, there is a problem. When people at the contract negototiation level don't have items contracted out, and your ESD disapperas one day and the item is coded as terminal, there is a problem. When we need depot-owned parts, a phone call can normally sort out issues. What is pathetic, is when all of our flying units are zero-balance for hydro fluid, or flying units across the board are zero-balance for Remove Before Flight streamers.

It's also very frustrating when your NCOIC/OIC, or an IG team, ask about the status of equipment that is on order, and you find out is somehow priority 12 with an ESD that gets bumped to a full year every month. But I can give you a few chapters worth on equipment items....

--Raven