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Hi!
First of all i'd like to introduce myself. I'm a big aviation (especially hog and lawndart) enthusiast since I was about 7.
I was reading this forum for quite some time and I thought this was a great site until I read this:

"I've been doing a little side project, "Peace Through Superior Firepower" pins to counter the brain-dead protesters that are siding with Saddam."<b></b>

I respect an opinion, but thats realy insulting!
I oppose the war, and as a proud member of a successful highschool debate team, I would think that i'm not braindead and I'm certainly not siding with saddam!

I beliefe the war is counteracting, because terrorism is not a building that one can destroy, not a man that we can kill, and not a country we can invade. It is a concept fueled by such actions we are taking in Iraq. If this policy goes on my generation will have to suffer from a lot more Osama's and Saddam's!

Even if Saddam has prohibited weapons (which i beliefe he has, but we should prove it first), he doesn't have a motive (besides suicide) to agress another power. He is (or was?) an effectively contained imperialist, not a fundamentalist.
Besides I moved from germany last year and i don't beliefe in any relations or expectations based on geography. Not all germans oppose the war, not all americans propose it. This is my opinion, and I respect all others, as long as we don't insult each other for taking sides or beeing braindead.

First let me say welcome to WT. Next let me say I respect your right to have an opinion but I can tell you it is not one shared by most on this board. The majority of us on this board have served or are curretly serving in the Armed Services so we may be just a little touchy when it comes to protesting and protestors. I believe you have the right to protest and hold a different opinion but dont sit your sorry butt down on city streets and cause the wastefulness of police resources carrying you dead butt off to jail. Protest peacefully and respect the law. Don't waste resources better spent protecting us all from terrorism. Being proactive is the way we must fight terrorism not reactive. We already know terrorist want to kill us. Sitting around waiting for it to happen is not the right policy, 9-11 taught us that. Once again welcome to WT.

Fender

Don't tell me what you think, what does the T.O. say.

I agree,
some protestors are realy counterproductive. The situation doesn't get better by disturbing others, no matter what their view is. I was calling for respect on both sides, but i think that didn't come out that way.

I was posting in this forum because i know most in here agree with that operation iraqi freedom is necessary, but Sept 11th was an immediate result of unsanctioned western intrusion. Of course terrorism is the wrong approach to revenge the ghosts of our past, but saddam is not a fundamentalist, as i said before. The need for action and counterstikes (or rather 'preemptive strikes') is exercised in the wrong place. Some protestors however fail to relize that in a way they are terrorsists, too (in a much milder way). Exercising your freedom of speech does not justify breaking laws and harming society, as some did. But protestors are not only some activists and rowdies on the streets. I never protested in an active way, and i don't plan on it (it's pretty useless and anoying i think).But i feel this is not what defines a 'protestor', so please be careful when posting such statements.

And don't get me wrong I appreciate the work of the armed forces, and they more than deserve our support, i just don't agree that this war is right.

I would love to hear other opinoins about the war. I've read this forum and I know there were some great debates, without any hostilities and name-calling. Thats why I'm posting here, and why i was so disappointed.

"I beliefe the war is counteracting, because terrorism is not a building that one can destroy, not a man that we can kill, and not a country we can invade. It is a concept fueled by such actions we are taking in Iraq. If this policy goes on my generation will have to suffer from a lot more Osama's and Saddam's!"

The Alternative, which is Appeasment, has been historicly proven to be fools gold.

"Even if Saddam has prohibited weapons (which i beliefe he has, but we should prove it first), he doesn't have a motive (besides suicide)..."

Ego, delusions of granduer, and insanity are three powerful motivators that Saddam possesses in ample quantities.


"....to agress another power."

Like Kuwait or Iran for instance?

"He is (or was?) an effectively contained imperialist, not a fundamentalist."

He was being 'effectively contained' at the cost of 100,000 dead Iraqi's annually.
All our sanctions did was hurt the people, not the regime.

You seem intelligent, but also naive.


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"I was posting in this forum because i know most in here agree with that operation iraqi freedom is necessary, but Sept 11th was an immediate result of unsanctioned western intrusion."

I contend that 9-11 was a direct result of the Jahill Mullahs that preach hatred and destruction of the 'Kaffir Infidels'.

I think your analysis of the situation is naive on many levels.



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If it's NOT a man that can be killed,.....why did you mention Sadaam and Bin Laden? PEOPLE take actions, NOT ideas. An idea has NEVER killed anyone( well OK the IDEA of another Paulie Shore movie WOULD kill me, but I digress). Yeah I know "others will rise to take thier place" that's ok we'll kill them too. There REALLY are just plain bad people out there, if it wernt "evil America" it would be the governer or the cop or thier boss. Tim Mc Veigh(dont remember the spelling) blew up a federal buliding in Oklahoma, the UNI-BOMBER etc. But otherwise WELCOME aboard Freak.

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Good points,
so you agree that saddam and fundamental terrorism are two different subjects? it still seems to be confused too often.
Saddam attacked Kuwait-true. And I think the gulf war was one of the bravest actions ever taken, but do you seriously believe he would attempt something like that again? For what reasons? Beeing crushed by the combined forces of a lot more nations than great britain and the U.S.? Saddam is not THAT unreasonable. He did't think that the US would get involved, which was a mistake, but if saddam could, he would stay as far away from america as possible. North Korea, for example, has REAL reasons to agress. They have WMD capabilities, a starving population and a fading communist regime under international pressure of capitalism to the south. To me this seems like a more immenent danger. And yes, individuals spark acts of terrorism, but they don't just pop up. The reason people have for terrorism is wrong, but it excsists due to the policies we follow(ed?) towards the israel/palestine conflict, and early colonialism, mostly by the british. My point is this is just another act that would support a fundamentalist movement.

But there are definetly some positive aspects, such as the liberation of the Iraqi people. I feared that a US-lead conflict would spark a similar reaction with the Iraqi population. If a foreign power seemingly surpresses them (and saddams propaghanda could make it seem like that), people are sticking with the most absurd governments. It worked with Hitler after WWI. But the reaction of the people is very positive (except some fanatic suicidal loyalists and irregulars). I just hope we don't see a 'pupped' gvt. for oil, that would realy piss the MidEast off even more lol. But the we handeled it well in afghanistan, and i believe we can do it here, too (those Shias and Sunis will go along somehow). If everything goes well (and i think and hope it will), maybe it's not goeing to be that destabilizing after all, but my doubts are justified rather than naive i think...well maybe not...;D. We will see. The 'roadmap to peace' seems promissing, too.

Anyway, thanks for the welcome.

Freak

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I beliefe the war is counteracting, because terrorism is not a building that one can destroy, not a man that we can kill, and not a country we can invade. It is a concept fueled by such actions we are taking in Iraq. -----------

Until the root causes of terrorism are addressed it won't stop. Folks need hope, food, clean water, education, health, etc. The Isreali model for fighting terror hasn't stopped it.

We are still in Afghan and still taking hits. 2 SpecWar types were just killed there. Bush hasn't mentioned UBL since last year.

The Iraq War could be spinning out of control. North Korea is making some rumblings. We have operations in Colombia, PI, and God only knows where else.

US is spread thin and sending a helluva of a lot of firepower to the Iraq War.

How many aircraft and little boats from Cuba have cruised right into Key West without detection??

Jack

Freak your argument has a fundamental problem. That problem is that your are judging Saddam's ability to reason, then predicting the future. One can only look at the past and his track record for irrational behavior. We can not risk him using chemical weapons again. He has already killed 1 million + people in wars he has started.

My brother left yesterday to go fight in this war that will allow you to spew further off at mouth about your beliefs this war is wrong. Maybe you should join the ultimate debating team, one you graduate from the high school debating team the UN. Twice in the last 100 years these debating societies (league of nations and UN) have become paralized with arguements and indecision allowing dictators to rise to prominence. One must laugh at the folly of the league of nations telling Japan to leave that little country China alone--this was during the 1930's.

I will make no apology, nor will I respect your view--I respect your right to have opinion and breath--while my brother and others on this board risk shedding his blood for someone who is neither greatful or able to comprehend the problem at hand. Freak your opinion does but one thing by default and that is supports saddam. Because if your opinion was our true course of action Saddam would be free to murder for the next 20 years. Then ofcourse we would have to deal with he offspring.

Just be glad saddam doesn't run this board because you would be dead as soon as you went against him. Remember it is the soldier who gives you and proctects your freedom, not the politician or lawyer.

"Good points,
so you agree that saddam and fundamental terrorism are two different subjects?"

No, i would state that Saddam uses fundamentalism fo this own ends.
That is exactly what is going on right now.

"Saddam attacked Kuwait-true."

And Iran.

"And I think the gulf war was one of the bravest actions ever taken, but do you seriously believe he would attempt something like that again?"

Yes.

"For what reasons?"

Because he is clinicly insane, and because he hates us. What other reasons do you need?

"Beeing crushed by the combined forces of a lot more nations than great britain and the U.S.? Saddam is not THAT unreasonable."

He sure was in 91, and he sure is now.

"He did't think that the US would get involved, which was a mistake,"

A mistake he has repeated twice now.

"but if saddam could, he would stay as far away from america as possible."

Which is why he goes out of his way to aggravate the US at every chance, right?

"North Korea, for example, has REAL reasons to agress. They have WMD capabilities, a starving population and a fading communist regime under international pressure of capitalism to the south."

Which is exactly why the should be next.

" And yes, individuals spark acts of terrorism, but they don't just pop up. The reason people have for terrorism is wrong, but it excsists due to the policies we follow(ed?) towards the israel/palestine conflict, and early colonialism, mostly by the british. My point is this is just another act that would support a fundamentalist movement."

Well then, we should let them have their way and slaughter whoever they want, free of US intervention, right?




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Snipe do you have a source for that "100,000" dead Iraquis a year? I'd like to use that for something, ya got a link or something?

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As the discussion continues, allow me to put my two cents in. The current situation in Iraqis very much needed. Why? Should Sadam be in possesion of WMD's? The answer is more than obvious. NO!!! He has proven in the past his capabilities for using chemicals on his own people...we could very well be next if he is not stopped. It is my belief that the majority of the protestors assume he will not attempt to attack the United States or any other super power. He has proven that he will not respect our power and do anything to over come us. WMD's and Iraq mixes about as well a oil and water. Sadam is a very unstable character that should be harshly dealt with. Why should a leader of a country use human shields to keep his troops safe? Store war ready materials in a hospital? Transport combatants in an ambulance? Show signs of surrender then ambush? Murder P.O.W.'s? Murder his own people? Yes we are ALL entitled to opinion and mine is eliminate the snake by cutting off the head. Yes, I am retired Air Force and now serve as a Traditional Reservist with 622CLSS at Robins AFB, just in case any one wondered if I was military.

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He has proven in the past his capabilities for using chemicals on his own people...we could very well be next if he is not stopped. ---------------

I find the lack of history on this thread very interesting. Saddam was our man until 91. SecDef Rumsfeld in 83 was the point man from Reagan to Saddam to ensure he had support against Iran.

Give me your best shots. If you don't know your history your doomed to repeat it. If you wanna have fun input OPLAN34A into a search for why we started in Nam.

Your buying the White House line on Saddam. Now ask why are we bogged down in Iraq. Then ask who could be the next axis of evil. North Korean, Iran, ???? Where is UBL? How well is the Afghan Op doing??

Think!!!!!!!

Jack

Sept. 11 supposedly occured because of having US troops in Saudi Arabia. This begs the question that, since the Saudi government has not compelled us to leave, why didn't UBL bomb a location of the Saudi royal family and voice his displeasure at the source?

As to Iraq, do you really want Saddam Hussein with nukes to deliver them to outside organizations to ship to US targets? Also, judging by your argument, you seem to think it's appropriate if a dictator massacres the people under his control. Do you then support Hitler massacring the Jews in Germany, and that we should have stopped WW II at the German border and allow the Nazi party to continue as-is? How about Yugoslavia? Why support humanitarian efforts there, then? Do you feel comfortable in allowing Stalin to murder 20-60 million Russians, Ukrainians, etc., without intervention?

A sucking chest wound is life's way of telling you to slow down...

HUMMMM?DIDNT WE FIGHT GERMANY,JAPAN BEFORE? NOW WE TRADE AND OUR ALLIES ON CERTAIN MATTERS(GERMANY JUST BEING A PAIN RIGHT NOW)

DIDNT WE FIGHT A WAR WITH THE BRITS,OR BETTER YET AGAINST?

COUNTRIES ARE JUST LIKE HIGHSCHOOL KIDS,ONE DAY FRIENDS THE NEXT HATE EACH OTHERS GUTS!

YES WE SUPPORTED IRAQ,TO HELP TAKE CARE OF IRAN,REMEMBER THE IRANIAN HOSTAGE CRISIS?
90 IRAQ INVADES KUWAIT,WE TOLD IRAQ TO LEAVE BUT WE HAD TO KICK THEIR ASS OUT.
WHY DIDNT WE TAKE OUT SADDAM?BECAUSE THE ARABS DIDNT WANT A POWER VACCUUM.

AND WHO SIDE DO YOU TAKE BETWEEN THE ISRAEL OR THE POL? ONE IS A REAL COUNTRY THE OTHER A BUNCH OF TERRORIST.

THE CONFLICT BETWEEN ARABS AND JEWS IS LONGER THEN TIME,BUT AT ONE TIME I REMEMBER CHIRSTAINS AND JEWS FOUGHT,AND CHIRSTAINS VS. ARABS,

IF I REMEMBER MY HISTORY,HISTORY HAS REPEATED ITSELF OVER AND OVER,HUMMM? WW1 AND WW2.

THE COMMENT "YOUR BUYING THE WHITE HOUSE LINE"
I AINT BUYING ANYTHING JUST LIKE I DIDNT BUY CLINTONS "I DIDNT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN" LINE.

I JUST PUT IT THIS WAY,IT DOESNT MAKE A DIFFEREANCE BECAUSE IN THE END A GRUNT,MARINE,SALIOR OR AIRMAN HAS TO PUT HIS OR HER LIFE ON THE LINE FOR THIS "OPIONION OF THE DAY"

SO PICK AND CHOOSE,QUOTE HISTORY OR HOLLYWOODS THOUGHTS ON THIS PRESIDENT BUT YOU BETTER DAMN WELL SUPPORT THE TROOPS EAT SAND AND BLOOD FOR YOUR RIGHTS,AND THE WAR BOGGED DOWN? IF IT IS ITS BECAUSE OF SOME IDIOTS IDEA THAT WE CAN FIGHT WITHOUT HURTING CIVIALIANS,
BS!!!!!!!!!!! HIT THEM,HIT'EM HARD!!!!!!
THE ARABS AINT GOING TO LIKE US EITHER WAY AND WHEN THE WARS OVER THE HOLLYWOOD CROWD WILL BE JUMPING ON THE BAND WAGON SAYING GO TEAM GO!!!SAYING WE WERE BEHIND YOU 100% YEAH BEHIND THEIR $100,000 SECURITY SYSTEMS AND MILLION DOLLAR PARTIES
BUT THAT ALSO GOES FOR MOST OF THE CONGRESSMAN THAT OPPOSES THE WAR
THEY'LL PLAY BOTH SIDES

SO THERES MY BEST SHOT!!!!!!! I EARNED IT!!

PRESS TO TEST

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Jack,

Dude...it has been less than 2 weeks. You have no business judging when things are bogged down or not when we are barely into this thing. We rapidly advanced until we hit the point were we need to strengthen supply lines and bolster up all those towns we skipped over. If we are in a similar state a couple months from now, feel free to post all you want about being bogged down. If anyone is buying the white house line then you are buying into the impatient, short attention span, 7 year old attitude that much of the media has.

"What!!?? The war is still going on 12 days later? It should have taken us only a couple days to wipe out a big opposing military, wipe out special units, deal with terrorism, supply humanitarian aid, and replace a government hell bent on remaining in power. Especially since the country is only roughly 160,000 square miles. We must be in huge trouble. Those generals sure are stupid".

I have an alternative answer. Maybe we are suffering casualties because we are at FU#&!!ing WAR!!!!!! Maybe the plan needs to flex because WAR IS UNPREDICTABLE.

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I think most people here are well aware of our history. So what if he was our man?? Can we not look back and say, "ooh....my bad" and then recognize that he and his regime cannot be allowed to continue what they have been doing? Can we not look back at the training the US gave to Usama Bin Laden as a 'freedom fighter' in Afghanistan against the Soviets and say the same thing? What are you implying by your above post? That we should still be friends with saddam? That we should leave him alone now because a couple decades ago we ignored his atrocities?

Seriously...I think some people criticize just to criticize.

just as a comparison, could somebody post how many American servicemen/women die each year when we arnt at war in training accidents and stuff.

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We allied with Stalin to fight the Nazi's.
We "used" (I wouldn't even call em' allies) Iraq to slow Khomeni's extreme religious fundamentalism.

History is not stagnant, it's very much fluid and dynamic.

And just think,
Our closest friend in this most-recent conflict, was once our most hated enemy.




Edited by - Tritonal on Mar 30 2003 11:30 PM

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I respect an opinion, but thats realy insulting!
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Good, it's meant to be insulting. We all have the guaranteed right to say what we want, but that doesn't mean I have to respect your opinion.

And FYI, you may not be in the same camp as the brain-dead protesters, but these people are:

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My favorite brain-dead protestors are the ones who think that by hanging out in the middle of the street, they're doing something useful or intelligent.

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I don't respect brain-dead. (note, this differs from medically brain-dead). Someone who's given up the idea that they could be wrong isn't worth the oxygen they're wasting.

I'm definitely with Luke on this one.

There is no way in hell one could call the campaign bogged down.

First of all, this operation kicked off without the second front that was SUPPOSED to be there, and without the "most advanced division in the Army"- the 4th ID(Mech).

Of course we were going to stretch the hell out of our tail- we invaded a country of 50+ million with about 80,000 troops total!

In all honesty, with the totally unexpected fanatical opposition we have faced it is utterly amazing we have done so much, in so little time.

The campaign is currently in idle while the USAF, USN, USMC and USA aviation tears the hell out of the enemy.
Something that should have been done in the first place.

The pilots over there have had several nights in a row of good visibility now, and i would DEFINITELY NOT want to be an Iraqi opposed to the allies right now.

Keep our forward elements where they are, and reinforce them.
Clean up the LOC, and at the least fully envelop the three resisting towns of Basra, An Nasariya, and Kabbala...all the while the BUFF's and Hogs are rolling. The Eagles and Vipers are prowling. The Tomcats and Harriers are hunting. The Hornets....well the Hornets are there too

All the while, we are in the country, on the ground(60% of it), and we growing in numbers. FAST.

I see absolutely no cause for serious concern at this point, but i definitely feel a need to express just how well our grunts and DATs have been performing.

To have been in the heavy firefights they have been in, in urban conditions and to take so few casualties is an almost amazing feat.

Think about it. These guys fighting for us have been AMAZING over there.

"I Am Infantry...Follow Me!!!"

Edited by - m21 sniper on Mar 31 2003 01:07 AM

Speaking of respect for Iraq... I read this http://nypost.com/news/worldnews/72224.htm
excerpt<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> March 30, 2003 -- At least one of the bodies of the four American soldiers discovered in a shallow grave was "brutalized and mutilated," Pentagon sources revealed yesterday.
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this morning. This does not do happy things for my feelings on Iraq.... as a matter of fact after reading the article my first thought was make them glow....

1. Don't look conspicuous; it draws fire.
2. Never draw fire; it irritates everyone around you.

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uhh ohh now i hope my english is good enough to express my thoughts:

a very important question for those who are strictly against the war is: "what´s the alternative solution?"
- give saddam more time to disarm himself??
- let the UN do the job?
- just do nothing?

it´s not enough to be against the war. you´ve got to give another solution to the problem. i can not see this in any of the protests i saw. if asked, mostly they say "the UN-inspectors started to work, they needed more time!" that´s truly naive. you have a big and complex country and a brutal dictator (who showed in the past that he will use c-weapons without hesitation) on the one side, and on the other you have a few inspectors.
that´s the raiders against a highschool team from france, to put it in a picture of a football game.
they don´t have a chance to win, but it seems to be very convenient to many people. they can say, "look, we are doing something!". But, the problem is, nothing will happen in the end.

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THE BIGGEST MISTAKE WHEN THIS IS OVER IS TO LET THE UN BACK IN TO RUN IT,

TOO MANY COUNTIRES YELLING ,FOUL FOUL FOUL,BUT ISNT IT REALLY,"MY MONEY MY MONEY,OK I'LL SUPPORT YOU IF THE OIL AND MINERAL CONTRACTS STAY INTACT,IE. RUSSIA AND FRANCE AND A LITTLE GERMANY IN THERIR TOO

BUT SELLING WEAPONS TO THIS IDIOT AT THE SAME TIME TELLING THE WORLD YOUR AGAINST WAR,

WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?

PRESS TO TEST

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Good points guys.

It becomes increasingly clear with each act of Iraqi treachery that not only should this war be fought....but that it had to be.

Saddam's actions are proving those who said he would do anything to hold onto power were right.

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