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Do any of you devoted Hog-Lovers/expert crew chiefs know the approximate armor penetration of the Maverick? I read 2000mm-I'm kinda skeptical on that spec.

*125lb shaped charge warhead, that is.


Edited by - Tritonal on Aug 02 2003 10:04 PM

Here are the specs. I hope their helpful.

http://globalsecurity.org/military/syst ... agm-65.htm

Specifications
Primary Function: Air-to-surface guided missile
Contractors: Hughes Aircraft Co., Raytheon Co.
Power Plant: Thiokol TX-481 solid-propellant rocket motor
Autopilot Proportional Navigation
Stabilizer Wings/Flippers
Propulsion Boost Sustain
Variant AGM-65A/B AGM-65D AGM-65G AGM-65E AGM-65F
Service Air Force Marine Corps Navy
Launch Weight: 462 lbs
(207.90 kg) 485 lbs
(218.25 kg) 670 lbs
(301.50 kg) 630 lbs
(286 kg) 670 lbs
(301.50 kg)
Diameter: 1 foot (30.48 centimeters)
Wingspan: 2 feet, 4 inches (71.12 centimeters)
Range: 17+ miles (12 nautical miles/27 km)
Speed: 1150 km/h
Guidance System: electro-optical television imaging infrared Laser infrared homing
Warhead: 125 pounds
(56.25 kilograms)
cone shaped 300 pounds
(135 kilograms)
delayed-fuse penetrator, heavyweight 125 pounds
(56.25 kilograms)
cone shaped 300 pounds
(135 kilograms)
delayed-fuse penetrator, heavyweight
Explosive 86 lbs. Comp B 80 lbs. PBX(AF)-108
Fuse Contact FMU-135/B
COSTS Air Force
AGM-65D/G Navy
AGM-65E/F
Development cost $168 million $25.5 million
Production cost $2,895.5 million $627.5 million
Total acquisition $3,063.5 million $653 million
Acquisition unit cost $129,322 $158,688
Production unit cost $17,000 $122,230 $152,491
Date Deployed: August 1972 February 1986 1989
Quantity 12,559 23,689 4,115
Aircraft: A-10, F-15E and F-16 F/A-18 F/A-18 and AV-8B

The chart didnt cut and paste very well. I hope you can access the actual site. But the Navy version has a 300lb penetrating blast warhead and the Air Force has only the 125lb shaped charge warhead for tank plinking.

Edited by - rickusn on Aug 03 2003 10:24 AM

Edited by - rickusn on Aug 03 2003 10:37 AM

The AF also uses the 300 lb blast/frag warhead on the G and K-model Mavericks. The A, B, D and H use the 125 lb shaped charge.

Coach

Yes you are right I was reading the link which says that and some older info from a book which doesnt, at the same time (Confused myself LOL). Thx for the correction.

Got it:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>AGM-65D
The AGM-65D (Maverick) is a 300mm air-to-ground missile used by the USAF. It is mounted on A-10A and other similar attack aircraft. It has a range of 16000m and an FLIR guidance system. It can penetrate 650mm of flat steel, 527mm of sloped steel armour and 257mm of composite armour.
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Whered you find it? Also is that for the 125lb warhead or the 300lb warhead? Id like to get the link thx if there is one? thx Rick



Edited by - rickusn on Aug 03 2003 3:18 PM

The 300lb warhead is not a shape charge. There's no way it could go throught that much metal. It's the 125.

feel free to jump on this , but the old standard was that a shaped charge would penetrate 7 times it's diameter.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Whered you find it? Also is that for the 125lb warhead or the 300lb warhead? Id like to get the link thx if there is one? thx Rick<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>


[url="http://www.sneaker.net.au/docs/encyclo/F1.HTM#AGM-65D"]Maverick Link[/url]



Edited by - Tritonal on Aug 03 2003 4:53 PM

LOL Out of the all the sites(and books) official and unofficial I pored over and you find it in an encyclopedia. LOL THX Rick

For Tiny Giant: Can you clarify for me the use of the 300lb warhead? Thx rick

What kind of target does this equate to?:


"The other is a delayed-fuse penetrator, a heavyweight warhead that penetrates the target with its kinetic energy before firing. The latter is very effective against large, hard targets." Thx Rick

Maybe this answers my question?

"Two warheads are available for the Maverick. The A, B and D versions use a 125 pound warhead with a forward firing conical-shaped charge for high armor penetrations. The E, F and G Maverick employ a 300 pound penetrator/blast fragmentation warhead which was developed for maximum effectiveness against a broad spectrum of reinforced targets. Selectable fuzing gives the aircrew the option of detonating the warhead on impact or after penetration."




Edited by - rickusn on Aug 03 2003 5:36 PM

Edited by - rickusn on Aug 03 2003 5:46 PM

No problem Rick. I remember seeing the specs. a year ago on an other website.
The only thing was that it measured the armor penetration in inches, which were similar to the one posted in metric. I was trying to find that original site, but I was not successful.

I know the feeling LOL. But on the other hand its much easier, faster and in some ways more enjoyable to search on the internet vice spending countless hours at a library or more than one(as I have in the past looking for a certain book or magazine article). But if you dont bookmark every site you go to you may never find it again and sometimes thats because they just disappear as some of my bookmarks no longer work. And then its always difficult deconflicting and collating disparet snippets of info in any case. But for all the tedium, frustration and aggravation its still my main hobby searching on the internet. I do sometimes miss being surrounded by 10 or 12 books. Although I do have a few of my own to give me some comfort. LOL

Rick,

You can use the 300lb warhead against an array of targets, but it doesn't do a whole lot of good against armor (maybe knocking off tracks and such). It's good against soft pudgies (trucks, cars, busses, fuel cells, small buildings, etc.). I used one in Baghdad that dropped the entire wing of a building (I guess it hit a critical support). It's primarily a frag/blast warhead whereas the 125lb is a shape charge. Because of this, if you miss with the 125lb, all you're going to do is piss someone off. The 300lb warhead has a small area effect that may still damage destroy it's target if it misses by a bit (which the non-G2 models are known to do). Well, time to go spend the week with the Army. See you guys on Friday.

Thx Rick

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>...the Air Force has only the 125lb shaped charge warhead for tank plinking. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Where does Tank Plinking originate from? I used to know the story behind it, but I forget/I'm too lazy to try and remember it.

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The 300lb warhead variant was first put in service by the USMC as a light antishipping weapon, back in the 80's i think.

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The Maverick E is being adopted in the AGM-65E version as the Marine corps laser Maverick weapon for use from Marine aircraft against fortified ground installations, armored vehicles and surface combatants. The Navy AGM-65E/F differs from previous Air Force MAVERICK missiles by incorporating a heavier warhead, a dual thrust rocket motor, and an infrared or laser seeker. The AGM-65E uses a laser seeker and the AGM-65F employs an infrared seeker. The infrared and laser seeker sections can be interchanged with no other alterations to the missile. Used in conjunction with ground or airborne laser designators, the missile seeker, searches a sector 7 miles across and over 10 miles ahead. If the missile loses laser spot it goes ballistic and flies up and over target -- the warhead does not explode, but becomes a dud.

The Maverick F AGM-65F (infrared targeting) used by the Navy has a larger (300 pound; 136 kg) penetrating warhead vice the 125 pound (57 kg) shaped charge used by Marine and Air Force), a dual thrust rocket motor, and infrared guidance system optimized for ship tracking.

The Maverick G model essentially has the same guidance system as the D, with some software modifications that track larger targets. The G model's major difference is its heavyweight penetrator warhead, while Maverick A, B and D models employ the shaped-charge warhead.



Apparemtly the E/G/K versions can use the two warheads interchangeably and possibly the F too. Still trying to clarify this.





Edited by - rickusn on Aug 04 2003 1:20 PM

I don't have the T.O. in front of me, but I'm pretty sure the AGM-65E and F use identical LASER seekers. The E is a 125 lb shaped charge warhead and the F is the 300 lb blast frag warhead. All Mavericks use the same motor which produces 10,000 lbs of thrust during the first .5 seconds and 2,000 lbs for the next 3.5 seconds. Warheads are not interchangable between models, but guidance units are. I guess you could look at that the other way and say guidance units are not interchangable, but warheads are. But you can't, warheads are integral to the missile body, motor, flight control system, safe/arming fuse and autopilot. The flight software is based on the warhead weight and desired effects (centroid, correlate or waterline impact). The AF uses the A, B, D, G, G2, H and K models.

Air2Mud can probably correct any misinformation in my post.

Coach

Thanx for the detailed breakdown Coach.

"Trample the wounded, hurdle the dead."

What's peculiar is that the blast warhead is 300lbs and only has 86lbs of Comp B explosive.

The rest is a fragmentation sleeve and penetrator cone i'd presume.

"Trample the wounded, hurdle the dead."

Edited by - m21 sniper on Aug 05 2003 1:11 PM

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Air2Mud can probably correct any misinformation in my post.
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