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Chechen gunmen eyed in ambush
By Sharon Behn
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published June 15, 2004
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Mercenaries believed to be from Chechnya are suspected of carrying out the deadly ambush of civilian security contractors on a road outside Baghdad earlier this month.
The attackers killed four civilians working with Blackwater USA. Three contractors who managed to escape concluded that the assault was the work of trained gunmen.
If so, said a former U.S. Special Forces fighter recently in Baghdad, "this opens a whole other can of worms for the coalition to deal with."
It also means that contractors would need more sophisticated and heavier weaponry to fight off better armed terrorists, the former soldier said.
The attack occurred June 6 and is recorded in the survivors' reports.
A seven-man team was driving to the airport in two sport utility vehicles. Four persons were in the second vehicle.
After passing the first of several overpasses, traveling at the usual speed for U.S. vehicles of about 75 mph, six local cars merged along their right side -- not unusual in that strip of road.
Then, without warning, a rocket-propelled grenade hit the rear SUV on the front passenger side, putting it out of action and setting it on fire. The driver just managed to bring the vehicle to a controlled stop, and the other vehicle stopped to help.
Two Pajero SUVs being driven by the attackers stopped some 100 yards in front and opened fire with Russian-designed PKM belt-fed machine guns, using armor-piercing and incendiary rounds.
The rounds destroyed the engine of the first vehicle.
The team leader decided to abandon the first vehicle, when the attackers in the other four SUVs, still driving, made a 180-degree turn on the road and came back for another pass.
Numbering about 20 people, the attackers then opened fire from about 30 yards. Attackers and contractors traded fire, with the contractors still being hit with the belt-fed machine gun.
Going through many magazines of ammunition, the contractors desperately threw nearly a dozen grenades at the attackers -- which the survivors believe was the only thing that halted the onslaught.
The attackers stopped, collected their dead and wounded, and left.
During the gunfight, the driver of lead vehicle took a bullet to the head, two in his legs and got fragmentation wounds on his face. But he continued to fight, running hundreds of yards in full gear and accounting for his men. He survived.
Another surviving team member was shot three times but charged the enemy vehicles anyway, shooting until the attack was over. The third survivor made it out unharmed.
The four who died "went out hard," said the report. There were thousands of shell casings, and two of the bodies were draped over their guns, still aimed at the attackers.
The other two were killed as they tried to get out of their vehicle. All died of massive gunshot wounds.
Professional analysis of the incident concluded that the attackers were well-trained and were most likely Syrian or Chechen hired guns. They wanted to survive and not leave any bodies.
"The ambush on the [airport] highway was done by Chechen imports. Very switched on and well experienced," said the former Special Forces member.
"Hitting a moving car at [72 mph], plus from another moving car, with an RPG is no small feat ... [and] the fact that they policed up their dead [and] wounded and all the weapons also indicates their level of professionalism.
"I personally don't think they were good Muslims doing their jihad duties, or politically motivated. I think they were high-tech, highly trained mercenaries in it for the bucks."
He said that contractors -- frequently used to complement U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq, were in "survival mode" when it came to the equipment they needed to do their jobs.

"Thier broken, beaten, and now leaderless. Let them bitterly stew in thier defeat."

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PostPosted: 25 Jun 2004, 15:24 
I knew i hated Chechens for a reason. It just took a while to figure out why.

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A whole new bag of worms .............yea I think so but it smells to me. Mr Bush goes to find support in Europe and the CIS for his war in Iraq. Mr Putin cant give the US support. And why should it ? After all the US doesnt support the hardline that Moscow has taken against the Chechen rebels/terrorists that are vying for autonomy and independence. However now Iraq is hiring Chechnyan gunmen. Sounds to me like this would be a great intell coupe for the US. Heres a way for the United States to allow Russia a free hand in Chechnya even if it is a heavy hand. The get to roll over Chechnya and we get nominall support in Iraq. Sure would be great since ALMOST ALL the oil supply lines to Russia run through ...............you got it.................CHECHNYA.

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The casualties from this attack went 4 to 4 each side. Going toe to toe with them would be a whole different ball game than the guy crouching in the street w/ the RPG. Just read the entire thread and see what those contractors & soldiers say about the Chechen fighters. Generally speaking they are people to ask for if you want any kind of pain in the ass fight.

As for Chechnya itself, unfortunately for Chechnya and it's native Sufi's, their country has been thoroughly infected with Wahabbism. So dealing with them against Russia would be a non-issue. Unless someone is able to play the Sufi Muslims against the Wahabbi's that set up shop in Chechnya and across the border into eastern Dagestan. Preferably somehow double dealing russia out of a pipeline & the ensuing profits before they double deal us. Some oil money as payment for moderate Chechen help would beat not getting anything but a Cossack dagger in the back.


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"yea I think so but it smells to me. Mr Bush goes to find support in Europe and the CIS for his war in Iraq. Mr Putin cant give the US support."

Last i checked it was our war Hawg.

Luna, the Chechens may be tough, but the last people you want to show up to fight you are American warriors.

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Typo Sniper, sorry it is our war, but you get my point.

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"yea I think so but it smells to me. Mr Bush goes to find support in Europe and the CIS for his war in Iraq. Mr Putin cant give the US support."

Last i checked it was our war Hawg.

Luna, the Chechens may be tough, but the last people you want to show up to fight you are American warriors.

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Ronald Reagan
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Thats true. I was just using my head and not planning to have at it with wolves, while assuming it'll be a fight against poodles. Metaphorically speaking. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Recent terror alert. Surely this couldn't be what those contracters were worried about happening in the states? Blackwater...Chechen Rebel unit. Well, <i>someone</i> deserves to be pointed & laughed at for such a stupid idea.

http://breaking.tcm.ie/2004/06/28/story154464.html]Warning on booby-trapped beer coolers

28/06/2004 - 07:12:12

Security officials warned today of a possible new weapon in the terrorist arsenal – booby-trapped beer coolers.

Law-enforcement officials in the US have been warned to be on the look out for the enticing bombs.

It is feared that an eager beer-lover could find one of the home-made bombs and open it, to an almost certain death.

The warning was sent to 18,000 law-enforcement groups by the FBI last week, Time magazine reported.

People were also warned to be on the look out for booby-trapped plastic-foam containers, inner tubes and other floating objects.

Such objects could be wired to explode if they hit a boat on major waterways, officials told the magazine.

In October 2000 al-Qaida attacked the USS Cole with a suicide boat bomb in a Yemeni port, killing 17 sailors.

Fears of a new terrorist attack were raised in recent weeks after Attorney General John Ashcroft said that al-Qaida was determined to hit the US “hard”.

He cited intelligence, suggesting that major events, such as the July 4 Independence Day celebrations would make an attractive terrorist target.

Despite the latest warning, sources at the FBI and Department of Homeland Security said no floating bombs or booby-trapped beer coolers had actually been found.

"Thier broken, beaten, and now leaderless. Let them bitterly stew in thier defeat."

Edited by - Lunatock on Jun 29 2004 3:23 PM

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