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My god after doing some research on the web today (or I sould say trying to) I find why "it might be all about the teeth"...they are one of the few A-10 bases who care enough to have any A-10 content on their website!

I looked through the Guard and Reserves websites (the ones that have a site) and the A-10 content is weak to say the least. Have you guys looked at your base/unit websites lately? Maybe 4-5 pictures, unit histories which are a half a page long with one line entries for decades of histroy! Units who went to OEF/OIF...no mention of this over a year later?!?

Maybe you guys who hate the "teeth" should look in your own backyards before throwing stones over the fence.

Ugly But Well Hung

The infamous 23rd Fighter Group does not even have a link that works on their Pope Website. The information provided is due to the exposure of the "East Coast Demo Team". "To keep the public and military informed of the U.S. Air Force preparedness." Both 103FW and 104FW sites are worthy of recognition. The 103FW even includes OIF Litening footage from their deployment(www.ctbrad.ang.af.mil).
The guard and reserve don't have the budget or manning to maintain East coast and West coast demo team type-sites. That's the purpose of the demo teams. The overexposure of "the teeth" is not related to their website, but to countless articles and photos in Air Force Times, Airmen Magazine and the AF.mil site. If you're looking for some excellent info and photos of the Northeast Air Guard units. I would recommend Philippe's Aviation pages at http://www.philippecolin.net. Most maintainers could provide a library of footage and photos from various deployments, but OPSEC prevents that distribution. Look at what HAWG166 gave you as an example. Official airframe and unit promotion should be done equally by PA and not left up to maintainers. Maybe after the BRAC will see the teeth somewhere else!

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Edited by - KUNGFU on Jul 18 2004 10:21 AM

BS, COMSEC has nothing to do with it, photos and videos can be edited to allow them to be placed on a website. Also why do I have to go to a civilian website to find out about a unit and what it does? If I'm a reporter or other member of the media i will be looking on the host units website for info I want and if I don't find it I will move on.

Yes the 23rd site is down for "updating" but the few people of the demo team has done a great job posting info. I also know about the CT website and I'm friends with Lt. Col Miclon who is the most responable for the PR CT gets. One man can do this so why are so many of the other Guard and Reserves site so weak on content?

I'm sorry I don't belive the 104rd site is worth of "recognition" because of a couple of A-10 pics and the units history told in a few line, this is how your part in OEF and OIF is told...

14 May to 1 July 1999 Participated in Operations Allied Force and Noble Anvil

12 Sep 2001 to Present Participated in Operations Noble Eagle, Enduring Freedom, and Iraqi Freedom.

You call that nothworthy?? As far as not having the people...again BS, I maintain my website in my spare time so I know it's not hard to keep-up a good website, you just have to want to.



Ugly But Well Hung

Edited by - Dice-man on Jul 18 2004 10:31 AM

Dice,
The recent threads poked fun at the overexposure of the Flying Tigers teeth as an observation not as a smear campaign. We’re talking about a sticker and a phrase that have become something to chuckle about. It’s not my intention to argue about the quality of unit web sites. I wasn’t sure if you had seen them all, because the links aren’t always listed. I don’t think any unit would want the media to exclusively go to a website for information and not through Public Affairs. Your website is an excellent example of your dedication as an aviation enthusiasts, and I’m sure you’ve had your share of problems maintaining it. Taken as constructive criticism, our unit history bullets are pretty weak. We offer local unit exposure differently, though the use of local parade flyovers, air shows and open houses. I think the public would rather remember us from a formation flyover during the 4th of July or at a sporting event, than by a collection of JPEG’s and MPEG’s. The retail giants open the doors for you to shop on the net, but the local shop would rather you come on down and see for yourself! Maybe our door art is more popular than our unit home page. I would be a little skeptic of a flashy unit website, because they might be selling something they can’t back up! As far as our “backyard”, we have always been on the other side of the fence. The Guard and Reserve are a pretty close-knit family that often goes unnoticed by the Active world. We back up our words with action, not “stones”.

Kungfu, sorry man but the bird crap remark in the other thread was kinda' uncalled for. Pope has been stuck with the name "no hope Pope" for as long as I can remember and belive me its not deserved. I went on a "Tiger Team" to Pope in...I belive 2002.. because of some fleet-wide MC rates and saw first hand what the men and woman of the 23rd put up with on a daily basic...its not pretty my friend.

If you call your Guard rep at Langley AFB (I can give you his number)and ask him he will tell you I supported the Guard and Reserve as the ACCLO the same as I did ACC. My point is we should not "bash" each other in either command (I'm sure you've heard the phrase weekend warrior) and should show each the respect we/they deserve. I can deal with good natured ribbing as long as I know that's what it is, smilies in your post will help a lot there.

Not long back we had a guy from KC come in and bitch about the same thing...Pope gets all the press and we never get any...boo-hoo, it just get old after a while. If local press is all you belive you need, or want, then that's fine...just don't complain when other bases get the "big press". Don't hate the player hate the game (just had to use that)!! <img src=newicons/bounce.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ugly But Well Hung

....damn teefs.

Smitty

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....damn teefs.

Smitty

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Damn plan-Jane jets!

Ugly But Well Hung

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Yeah, the little thing called the internet is never used by peole reasrching information, so it best to just put up half assed websites with empty content. I geuss all the people who stop by here at WT to inquire about becoming a pilot should just turn the comp off and get out and watch one of your flyovers <img src=newicons/Whatever_anim.gif border=0 align=middle>


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Yup...the internet is just corprate america teritority for the big guys to suck money out of your pockets. I geuss my eyes are fooling me when I flip through the yellow pages and see all these websites for small business. Maybe you should call them up and tell them thier wasting thier time advertising thier busines to the entire world. They would have better luck sitting on thier ass behind the cashregister and hoping customers will just stroll in.<img src=newicons/tard.gif border=0 align=middle>

**gets off my soapbox....ok..enough of my ranting

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Wow,

Military personnel do have other things to do than put up websites. If you want to see content on a base's website, that content will have to be approved by, and most likely created by, the comm squadron. For those that don't know, comm is stretched pretty thin. Although anyone can create the content and try to get it approved, time is at a premium for all service members. However, if you want to volunteer to create a detailed website for every A-10 squadron out there, I'd be happy to host them for you, and I could probably provide a lot of the pictures for you. Until then, simply typing A-10 into Google will easily get you to this site, which has more information on it about the A-10 than any AF site ever will.

A detailed website about an aircraft on an AF base is not really a matter a pride these days, it's a matter of time. For those that have the time, more power to 'em. But it is rare.



Edited by - tinygiant on Jul 18 2004 7:02 PM

Publicity, Publicity, Publicity... what can you say the public loves those sharks teeth and you can blame the media for that and no I'm not referring to the modern age media although they've contributed to it's popularity. I'm talking about the publicity which started back in 1941 with the American Volunteer Group (the original Flying Tigers), which featured those beloved teeth on the nose of their Republic P-47 Thunderbolts. It was there that an American Icon was born and the American public fell in love with those teeth. Heck even John Wayne did a movie about the Flying Tiger's and of course the aircraft shown in the movies had those teeth.


Quesiton, Do you think the A-10 community has benifited from the amount of publicity the 23 FG's teeth has created?

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The shark's mouth originally appeared on biplanes in WW I, and its WW II usage began with RAF 112 Squadron in Africa on their Tomahawk Mk I's in Sept. 1941, which rapidly spread to other P-40 groups, including the P-40B's and P-40C's used by the AVG. It's amusing how the USAAF vehemently opposed the formation of the AVG, but couldn't wait to get their hands on them later on.

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Question - are there any other (World Wide) active/guard/reserve units that currenlty have Sharks Teeth on their aircraft other than the 23rd FG?

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No other shark's teeth on A-10 anywhere 'cept Pope. Barksdale (Guard) has tusks, though.

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No other shark's teeth on A-10 anywhere 'cept Pope. Barksdale (Guard) has tusks, though.
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New Orleans has tusks, too.

I think all A-10s (minus the 23rd jets) should have tusks.

It's a Hawg thing.

ATTACK!

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I belive the last unit besides the 23rd (non-A10)was the 3rd TFW F-4E/G out of Clark AB Philippines.

Ugly But Well Hung

New Orleans trains here once a quarter, and I have yet to see a jet with tusks on it.

I DONT KNOW WHATS BEEN GOING ON THE LAST 12 YRS IN THE HOG FAMILY,EXCEPT WHAT YOU FOLKS TELL US.

GUMBY'S,TIGGER TEETH ETC......

ITS STILL AN A-10....


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http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Rev1/401-500/Rev437_TwoBobs32013/rev437.htm

Yes, it's only a decal sheet, but it's representative of the real deal. I know that some of the New Orleans jets have tusks.

ATTACK!

N'orleans....have seen some of their jets, not tusks, teeth or dentures. Is there a Cajun on here to give the definitive answer? Tiny giant is correct about the web site problem in the military, comm has'nt got the time to play around with that crap. It's all they can do to keep things running and updated, nevermind try to keep a website of this caliber. They don't have time.

Smitty

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Was this not during Desert Storm, where the cajuns had some aircraft on loan from Barksdale? I think this was touched on before in other threads way back. This ring a bell with anyone?....my memory is a little fuzzy on it.

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ONLY ONE JET FROM BARKSDALE MADE IT TO THE BOX,AND IT HAD TUSKS ON IT.
MACK HAD A PIC UP ON A THREAD

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Cool page Thunderstruck.
Dice, There's a picture of the nose art to 111 that you were looking for in another thread, you can read it in that picture much better. The webpage says it says "Holy of Holy's....Cajuns from New Lin's.....They ain't Saints". But I remember now, and you can see if you look real close it's Naw Lin's, not New Lin's. Also in that picture you can see the windows to the WTC clear as day, but the antennae isn't there at all. I could have sworn that one of the towers had one, in fact, I think it was the one on the right, but it was a while ago, and I could be mistaken. It may have been added after those pictures were taken. That jet came back to Jaber before I got to Bagram where the picture you posted had been taken
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From what I"ve been told both NO and Whiteman placed "Tusks" on their jets during one of their first deployment to Afgan-land in 2002. I've have been trying to get pictures of these jets but I'm not having much luck through the net. If anyone here has any contacts at NO or MO (or a member of the pilots only website) maybe you could email them and get a pic or two.

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Goose, what color was the stab caps on that jet? Where they gold? Where is the link to the pic? I remember loading that jet at A/J during the storm, I just cant remember the tusks. I do remember the BD on the tail.

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Goose.....who was the jet deployed with, was it the Cajuns?

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