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PostPosted: 28 Jul 2004, 15:08 
You will NEVER see this on the nightly news.

Allow me to play the part of your favorite reporter then.

Each link is a separate incident:

www.propertyrightsresearc...an_mil.htm

"The Border Patrol counts a border "incursion" as a sighting, contact or physical evidence of entry into the United States by a foreign law enforcement official between official ports of entry, said agency spokeswoman Gloria Chavez.

Between 200 and 250 incursions have been documented in the past five years, not counting accidental crossings, said U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, a Republican from Colorado and outspoken advocate of militarizing the border."

Simcox and Foote aren't the only ones who say the Mexican military's border activities protect immigrant and drug smuggling.

"The drug cartel employs the services of the Mexican military," Tancredo said.

He heads the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, a group started in 1999 to address immigration issues in Congress.

"They're shipping drugs into the United States, that's what's going on," he said.

The military creates distractions for smugglers or protects loads of drugs and/or immigrants coming over the border, he said."

www.worldnetdaily.com/new...E_ID=15326

"On Mar. 14, shortly after 10 p.m. local time, "two Mexican army Humvees carrying about 16 armed soldiers drove across the international boundary and into the United States near Santa Teresa, New Mexico." There the vehicles pursued a Border Patrol vehicle, which was "outfitted with decals and emergency lights (that were activated for much of the pursuit) over a mile into the United States."

The lead Mexican army vehicle, the Border Patrol council said, contained nine soldiers "armed with seven automatic assault rifles, one submachine gun, and two .45 caliber pistols," and was eventually apprehended by other Border Patrol units. The second Humvee, however, "pursued a Border Patrol agent on horseback and fired a shot at him. The soldiers then disembarked their vehicle, fired upon one more Border Patrol agent and chased another agent before fleeing [back] to Mexico in their vehicle."

www.usvisanews.com/articl...1045.shtml

"Local ranchers and farmers are frustrated with the efforts of the Border Patrol. While the ranchers in Columbus have not yet armed themselves against illegal alien and smugglers who trespass on their farmland, they do speak of vigilante efforts already underway in Douglas, Arizona. Ralph Johnson a longtime rancher and farmer in Columbus, New Mexico, stated, "To an extent, this is one of the areas in years that hasn't been shut down. On this line it's pretty damn scary. It's kind of a war out here -- The only difference between the ranchers here and over there [Douglas, Arizona] is we haven't rebelled yet and [haven't been] getting after them."


NO LINK FOR THIS ONE, it appears on page 5 of a google search using the phrase "mexican soldiers caught in US"

"The Washington Times, October 6, 2002
"On any given day, 10,000 illegal aliens will cross the U.S.-Mexican border. About one in three will be caught and expelled. Among those who succeed, nearly half will become permanent U.S. residents. The vast majority of those who are caught will try again, frequently the very next day."

Today, record numbers of illegal aliens find their way to the United States, whose estimated illegal alien population is between 9 million and 11 million, or double the 1994 level.


www.freerepublic.com/focu...2503/posts

"Mexican soldiers in border crossings
Washington Times ^ | 5/13/02 | Steve Miller

"Heavily armed Mexican soldiers and police are crossing the U.S. border repeatedly, provoking charges from Capitol Hill that they are providing cover for drug smugglers and illegal immigrants.

Last year, there were 23 incursions documented by the U.S. Border Patrol, prompting Rep. Tom Tancredo to contact Mexican President Vicente Fox last week, asking for an end to these incidents."

www.worldnetdaily.com/new...E_ID=26852

"A U.S. Border Patrol officer has encountered four heavily armed Mexican army soldiers on the U.S. side of the border near San Diego.

The soldiers, armed with three submachine guns and one M-16 rifle, crossed the border near Tecate, Mexico, while on a counter-drug mission, Border Patrol spokesman James Jacques said. They were all dressed in camouflage fatigues, said officials.

A Border Patrol agent, who was not identified in the SanDeigoChannel.com report, said he was following footsteps left by the Mexican patrol. When he encountered them, one of the Mexican soldiers had his sidearm unholstered.

The agent then unholstered his sidearm and identified himself. He told superiors the Mexican troopers then realized they were inside the U.S. and cooperated with the Border Patrol agent, who took them to a nearby Border Patrol station.

Their identities were verified by the Mexican consulate and other U.S. officials before they were returned to Mexico via the San Ysidro Port of Entry. The report did not say whether their weapons were confiscated.

"This could easily have escalated into a real tragedy," Jacques told reporters. "Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed."

The Border Patrol's Washington, D.C., headquarters did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

The March 10 incident signals a growing trend of Mexican military forces crossing into the United States"


www.csdp.org/news/news/mexico.htm

"A Mexican governor has fired the entire state police force. The BBC News reported on April 13, 2004 ( "Mexican Police Force Suspended") that " A governor in Mexico has suspended his entire state police force after two senior officers were jailed amid accusations of aiding a drug cartel. The governor of the central state of Morelos, Sergio Estrada, said he was suspending the force of more than 550 officers pending an investigation. He said their weapons had been taken away and offices placed under guard."

According to the BBC, "Last week, the state chief of police Jose Augustin Montiel was arrested, along with his operations director Raul Cortez Galindo. Both were remanded in custody on suspicion of helping the powerful Juarez drug cartel fly cocaine shipments from Colombia into Mexico. The cartel - named for the northern border city where it is allegedly based - is said to be one of the country's major drug trafficking organisations."

www.prisonplanet.com/0202...icans.html

Armed Mexicans cross border?
U.S. 'volunteers,' journalists photograph mysterious militia

World Net Daily

A group of civilian volunteer U.S.-Mexico border watchers say they witnessed an incursion into the U.S. by 22 armed Mexican militiamen - and photographed the encounter with the paramilitary patrol.

Chris Simcox, editor and publisher of the Tombstone, Arizona, Tumbleweed and founder of Civil Homeland Defense, a group that attempts to aid the Border Patrol nab illegal aliens, said the confrontation occurred the morning of Saturday, Jan. 24. Simcox, accompanied by a photographer and a video journalist, says the trio ran into a "squad" of armed Mexicans in olive drab uniforms in two military-type vehicles.

www.enn.com/news/wire-sto..._47544.asp

"Drug runners, migrants crushing national parks along U.S.-Mexico border

Thursday, June 13, 2002
By Julie Watson, Associated Press

EL PINACATE BIOSPHERE RESERVE, Mexico — Drug traffickers scar volcanic desert with illicit runways, while law enforcement officials chase them through once-tranquil parks.
Thousands of migrants traipse across delicate backcountry areas, sending campers fleeing to ranger stations, fearful of crowds trekking by their tents in the night.

Wilderness areas on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border are taking a beating from an onslaught of migrants, drug traffickers, and law enforcement officials, a new study says. Some national treasures in both countries have been lost forever."

www.civilhomelanddefense....litics.htm

An interesitng article on the Volunteer US militias that've been formed along the border.

This is a Washington post article on the Zetas, former Mexican Army commandos who've formed a group and hire their services out to the cartels to smuggle drugs into the US. This is also the group that's offered to smuggle Al Qaeda operatives into the US for $12,000 dollars each.

www.washingtonpost.com/ac...ge=printer

We're practicly at war down there. We've got 10,000 US troops tied up along the border at ths very moment.


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PostPosted: 28 Jul 2004, 15:24 
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they could always activate the SDF's... oh wait most of us are at about 20% manning cause we can't get any money budgeted to us....

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How about we give them the A-10s when we get JSF(I know, horrible idea replacing the Warthog with that, but...), and have them do border patrols?

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PostPosted: 28 Jul 2004, 17:15 
Who are the 'them' we're giving the hogs too, and besides, the JSF isn't replacing the A-10, well- not until 2028 anyway.

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Fuckem...give them the jsf. This is the same government that confiscated ceremonial (unworking) weapons from a Marine funeral detail. The first time someone takes a bullet on American soil from a dirty soldier from mexico, our border patrol guys new procedure will be as follows.
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Border patrol. It seems that wasn't clear. Give the border patrol the Warthogs. And I thought they wanted the JSF sooner than that.

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"The first time someone takes a bullet on American soil from a dirty soldier from mexico, our border patrol guys new procedure will be as follows."

That's already happened. We've had Border Patrol agents wounded on US Soil shooting it out with Mexicans many, many, many times in the last 100 years. Still happens now.

On the JSF, it is supposed to enter service in 2008(yeah right...), but the A-10 is scheduled to remain in service until 2028.

The JSF can't do the A-10s job.

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Give the border patrol the jsf's. That way we can keep the hog instead of the new F-16. I had the opportunity a few years ago to work with the border patrol guys in Mcallen Texas and I don't envy them their jobs dangers. The fun stuff rocked for them though, but not getting shot at on American soil. It's time to start shooting back with extreme prejudice. Why bother having a body to send back to the mexican govt. They must have "dissapeared" because they could'nt have been in the U.S. right?

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THE MEXICANS HAVE DONE IT MANY TIMES AND I THINK HAVE KILLED AGENTS.

BUT FOR SOME DAMN REASON,WE WANT A MORE OPEN DOOR WITH THEM.

I'D BACK THE HOGS DOING TRAINING ON THE BOARDER,GOOD PRATICE FOR THE DESERT AND HONE THEIR SHARP SHOOTING WITH THE GAU-8.

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They want to come here so badly, well, let's save them the trouble, we'll go down there.

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Having apprehended 20+ illegals during my time on the Barry Goldwater Bombing Range, I've encountered everything from small arms to cocaine being smuggled into the US. A couple of these people were the "coyotes" or people leading groups into the US, but many were people carrying drugs into the country in lieu of having money to pay for someone to lead them in. Not all of these people are poor people wanting to have a job in the US.

One of the Border Patrol vehicles that was shot up by the Mexican army happened just a couple of years ago on the south side of the Goldwater; happened the day before I got out to the range for another few days of FACing. BP Bronco was shot up pretty good. I let the Ajo station BP agents know that when I was on range FACing air, all they had to do was call me on XXX.XXX UHF or XXX.XXX VHF if they ever needed assistance and especially if they were getting shot at by the Mexicans, and I'd give them whatever I could, no problem, be it some air, or even myself and my ETAC with our GAU-5 we had with us, as well as my .357 and .50 Desert Eagle sidearms I always had when out on range (no pansy-ass M9 9mm Beretta here). I never traveled onto the range area unarmed, and would have NO problem engaging the Mexicans in support of BP agents needing assistance. Deal with the f%cking political BS later.

On the subject of those church and humanitarian groups that want to put water stations in the desert for the illegals to come to, I say have at it. Be the perfect place to park a few Border Patrol vehicles too.



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