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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2004, 13:49 
Muslim Girls Comply With Head Scarf Ban

By ELAINE GANLEY, Associated Press Writer

PARIS - Muslim girls largely complied with a controversial ban on headscarves in the classroom on first day of school Thursday, officials said, as the government and Muslim leaders tried to avoid any confrontation that might provoke Islamic militants holding two French hostages in Iraq (news - web sites).

The militants have threatened to kill the two French journalists if the law is not revoked — a demand France has rejected. Millions of students returned to school Thursday with the law in effect for the first time.


Muslim leaders — even ones opposing the law — called for restraint in defying it. "The hostage takers are just waiting for a provocation," Mohammed Bechari, a vice president of the French Council for the Muslim Faith, told Le Figaro newspaper. "We must be responsible."


The education minister said 240 girls showed up for the first day of classes with head scarves on — five times fewer than last year. Of those, 170 ended up taking their scarves off in school. The 70 who still refused entered into talks with officials, said the minister, Francois Fillon.


The minister has put in place a two-week period of "dialogue" to persuade girls to remove head coverings, rather than outright expel those who refuse as some schools have in past cases.


Among the cases of defiance, two high school girls in the Strasbourg region decided to go back home rather than take off their scarves, education officials for the eastern city said.


"The first day of school went very well," Nicolas Boudot of the Academy of Paris said.


He said there was only one case in the French capital of a girl entering school with a head scarf — at the prestigious Henry IV High School — "but by 10 a.m., she had removed it."


Other Muslim girls took off head coverings before leaving the house.


"I was always treated badly and I felt uncomfortable, so I decided to take it off," Nadia Arabi, 16, said before heading through the gates of Henri Wallon school in the working-class Paris suburb of Aubervilliers. Teenagers clad mainly in blue jeans talked and laughed as they waited for the school's locked gates to open.


Last October, two veiled sisters were expelled from the Henri Wallon school, bringing it into the public eye.


The French government, enmeshed in delicate hostage negotiations in Iraq, was eager to avoid more conflict over the issue. Muslim community leaders opposed to the ban also urged restraint, offering support for the government's refusal to revoke the law in the face of "blackmail" by militants in Iraq.


"It is clear that the international context has played a non-negligible role" in the peaceful return to school, Armand Martin, head of Raymond Queneau High School in Villeneuve d'Ascq told LCI television.


The school, outside Lille in northern France, previously had the highest proportion of Muslims wearing head scarves. According to Le Monde newspaper, there were 58 girls with head scarves attending classes there in 2003.


French envoys, including Islamic leaders, held talks with Muslim clerics in Iraq on Thursday in a desperate bid to free veteran French reporters Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot as a Wednesday deadline passed without word of their fate.


The law has been among the most divisive issue in recent times in France and problems were expected to emerge as the school year progresses.


Experts predicted a rash of court cases brought by Muslims who test the law by wearing head coverings like bandannas. The law allows for discreet religious signs.





Students said they were given a handout spelling out the new law and were instructed to read it and be able to explain it. School authorities also were encouraged to use dialogue and not to send anybody home, adhering to provisions in the law that provide for a period of transition, although Education Minister Francois Fillon stressed there was no room for negotiations.

"There is no question today of excluding. It is a question of convincing," he said.

Although the law bans students from wearing apparel like the Jewish skull cap and large Christian crosses, it clearly targets head scarves, viewed as a sign of rising Muslim fundamentalism.

Muslims argued that not all who wear head scarves — considered a sign of modesty — are fundamentalists, and that girls are being forced to choose between their beliefs and staying in school. France's Muslim population is an estimated 5 million, the largest in Western Europe.

Even girls who don't wear head scarves questioned the law.

Myriam Benalouache, 15, waiting to enter the Jacques Brel High School in La Courneuve, a heavily immigrant suburb north of Paris, said she thinks it's a mistake to ask girls to remove their scarves.

"For Muslim girls it's like removing one's clothes," she said.

Several Muslim organizations have set up hot lines to advise or council young girls in a quandary over the law.

Sofia Rahem said her association, GFaim2Savoir, lingo for "I'm Hungry for Knowledge," has received "an enormous number" of calls.

"They are young girls in distress who don't know what to do with their future," said Rahem, a 23-year-old university student who wears a head scarf. "They fear the return to school knowing they won't be accepted with a scarf."

The powerful Union for Islamic Organizations of France has advised girls to go to school dressed as they wish.

The hope is that schools will accept bandannas, which could be worn for "reasons of coquetry, of beauty," UOIF President Lhaj Thami Breze said.

Individual schools, via their internal rules, have the final say. While all schools must conform, the law leaves it to each school to decide whether bandannas, for instance, are acceptable. Some schools have simply opted to ban all head gear.

I got news froggies. These guys are already dead.

It will be interesting to see what the french<spit> say when the video of their execution is released.

The frogs can run, but they can't hide. They should've stood by our side in 2001, now it's THEM that's isolated, with blood on their hands, and egg on their face.


"Molon labe".
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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2004, 15:11 
French Hostages Handed Over to Iraqi Group

(Reuters) - The editor of the French newspaper Le Figaro said Thursday that Islamic militants had handed over two French journalists to an Iraqi group that has said it was in favor of releasing them. Jean de Belot said on France Info radio that the news was positive, but that he remained cautious until the men were in safe hands. "The latest information is that Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot have been handed over by the Islamic Army in Iraq to an Iraqi Sunni guerrilla group ... an opposition that we know for a few days now has been in favor of the release of the hostages," de Belot said. More...

Looks like i may get to eat some crow, lol.

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Let me get this straight. One of the most liberal countries in the world has banned a relegious symbol? If America passed such a law there would be a huge outcry at the United Nations <spit>. We would be called racist, zealots, zionist and every other name you can think of. God I hate the French.<spit>

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Look on the bright side it shows the french<spit> Government that their people are as vulnerable as anyone else.

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the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable
for his actions. (Ronald W. Reagan)


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I deleted one of those double posts, and edited the other per the WT code of conduct Warspite. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Oh and fender, you might want to do something about that capital F in your post. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2004, 17:53 
Warspite probably doesn't know, so i guess it would be fair to inform him...

It is standard practice at WT to add a <spit> anytime the word france<spit> is uttered. ;)

LOL

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I'm new here although I recognize a few names. I shall remember to <spit> when ever I say France <spit>.

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PostPosted: 02 Sep 2004, 18:08 
Hey Jeff, welcome aboard bro. :)

Welcome to the dark side. ;)

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Oh and fender, you might want to do something about that capital F in your post. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

OK you stumped the dummy. What "F"?

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You capitalized the word france<spit>. ;)

LOL

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Let's see, what shall smitty say about those European piles of frog snot? Fuckem. I would love to see Spain become an island the way we think Nevada could someday have ocean front property. This makes me happy. Yes, I believe I shall have a cocktail in celebration of yet another french (spit) problem with the folks of the middle east that are infecting their inferior culture like a cockroach at a denny's.
I may even make it a double!
I hope this becomes an infected hemmorhoid on the ass of french (spit) "society"! If these S.O.B.s think that they will get off easy with anything in the eyes of America they are obviously drunk on their antifreeze laden wine. I would love little more than to hear that one of these kicktards was choked to death with one of these scarves while they watched a Jerry Louis movie marathon. May a herpritic sore the size of a baseball infect the forehead of every french (spit) bastard that walks around in their smug and arrogant little shitplat of a county! They are taking away a personnal right of a human being to pursue their religion as they see fit. A high school girl wearing a scarf across her face is "obviously" a national security concern after all.
I hope they choke on their own bile.

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Welcome JeffThomas (not to be confused with ThomasJeff<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) Additionally, france<spit> doesn't rank a capital "F", either.

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Those french<spit> bastards! they are opressing a group of citizens from expressing their religion. hell, I think I will take some french<spit> hostages also and demained the french<spit> to remove the law! what idiots!

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try looking at it this way big vette, God gave us each the choose to follow him or to not follow him. The least government can do is offer the same chouse.

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