WT Forums

You're out of your mind. The Vikes O from 98 was way better than the current version.

A young Randy Moss, Cris Carter, Robert Smith, and Randall Cunningham vs Cupepper and Moss and 9 other guys named joe average.

I'd take the Vikes 98 offense over the current one any day of the week.

As far as defense....what defense?
The only Vikes D player that would even start for the Eagles is Chris Hovan.

Now if you gave the Vikings Kearse, Trotter, Douglass, Simon, Dawkins, and Lewis...you'd really have something!!! Like a dynasty...

Imagine on that MNF game if he Vikes O was matched up against the Vikes D instead of the Eagles D. You'd have scored 50 points instead of 16. You seem to conveniently overlook the fact that until there were 3:30 minutes left in the game the Vikes managed all of 9 points against the Eagles.

You also seem to constantly overlook the fact that in just 22 minutes of possession time the Eagles torched the Vikes D for 27 points and 377 yards.

Eh, whatever...if your Vikes make it to the title game we'll find out what will happen, won't we?

I do know this. In three tries with Culpepper and Moss the Vikes have yet to beat the Eagles.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>The Eagles meanwhile have won 19 of their last 21 games<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Actually, while it's not a big deal, it's <b>18</b> of their last 21.

Their losses were:

10/12/03 (21-23, Cowboys)
12/21/03 (28-31, 49ers)
01/18/04 (3-14, Panthers in NFC Championship game)

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Eh, whatever...if your Vikes make it to the title game we'll find out what will happen, won't we?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
That's all it really boils down to. There's still over half a season of football to play yet; the Vikes could end up 15-1 (or 5-11), the Eagles could end up 6-10 or continue a flawless season. Even 'experts' can't predict every game... flukes and upsets happen every Sunday.

Wait 'til the playoffs start... then we'll see who the strong teams really are.

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Hey snipe, I would'nt use the word Dynasty to describe the eagles until they at least won a couple of superbowls! Thats like talking about the patriots dynasty in 2001 during the season, they still don't have that title in most minds and won't unless they win this one.....

".....leave the bodies. The buzzards gotta eat too."
Smitty

I got to go with Snipe on this one...

I saw a 8-8 Raiders team in "99" completely handcuff the Vikes. Last years 4-12 Raiders also routed the Vikes. I won't even go back to 1976 when Oakland completely took apart Fran Tarkenton and the Vikings in the Super Bowl. Art Shell shut out Jim Marshall completely, and Jack Tatum about knocked Sammy White back to the stone age, while Ken Stabler moved the ball at will. My point is the Vikings are not physical enough, do not play smash mouth enough to win in December and early January. Put a shut down corner on Randy Moss, jump on Culpepper with an agressive blitzing scheme, controll the ball and the Vikes will always fold.

I know the Radiers suck this year, and they got their asses handed to them in the 2003 Super Bowl, but they still manage to dominate the Vikes every time they play them....

I will not be impressed with any dome team untill they win a Super Bowl...(St Louis notwithstanding) yet the Rams also folded when confronted with a physical defense. I remember when New England was a huge underdog against the Rams in the 2002 Super Bowl. The San Diego Chargers and their "Air Coryell" offense, Detriot with their Run & Shoot....They put up cool stats, but football will always be reduced to favoring the more physical team, no matter how much offenses evolve. In fact the only passing offense to ever thrive in the NFL and win championships is the West Coast offense, which still relies on ball control passing and a running game to sustain long drives....

"Hey snipe, I would'nt use the word Dynasty to describe the eagles until they at least won a couple of superbowls! Thats like talking about the patriots dynasty in 2001 during the season, they still don't have that title in most minds and won't unless they win this one....."

I didn't.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Hey Warthog 30...I picked up Rueben Drouhns as a free agent in my fantasy league, big time pick up for me, considering he only cost me three bucks. I am in a keeper league, so my running back situation has improved big time.

My take on the NFL this season...You got the Eagles and the Patriots...Then you got the rest of the league.

I think the Pats are playing with alot of moxy right now, they just have that we are gonna kick your ass attittude, plus they do not make many mistakes and their execution is excellent...

Raiders are done for good, or unless untill Al Davis croaks...I hope Gannon retires, or decides to get into coaching. I doubt anybody noticed, but the Raiders played well in every game Gannon started. He tossed a two point conversion to tie the game in Pittsburgh, beat the Bills, and was playing well against Tampa untill that Derrick Brooks hit. If anything, he atleast proved he can still play, and thrive in a vertical offense. All of his TD's this year where 45 yards plus...

Enuff about the Raiders, they suck...I am now a free agent fan looking for a team. I just wanted to pay tribute to my man Gannon, and acknowledge the fact he is more than likely done playing...

<img src=newicons/smiley_salute.gif border=0 align=middle>

A Philly / New England Super Bowl would be great, unlike recent Super Bowls, both teams have a high powered offense, and dominating defense.

Final thought....You have got to give it up to Boston this year, what a good sports year for a city that is long overdue. I would love to see both the Sox, and the Pats win it all this year...






<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

I picked-up Droughns too. We seem to have similarly excellent minds. Right now I'm 7-1 and still looking pretty good.

Snipe, as far as the Eagles/Browns game., I tend to agree with you on most points. But you did seem to be rather up in arms over the roughing call. I agree, that was a weak call. But you can "what if" the whole thing. What if the Browns hadn't muffed away two kickoffs? You seem to forget that the Eagles desfense let the Browns offense look good for a change. I'm amazed as to why the Browns passed so much in the second half. It's been a long time since I've seen a rush defense do as poorly as it did against Suggs and Green in the first half. Well, maybe not that long (Jamal Lewis vs Browns last year). I just hated to see an undoubtedly inferior team have to lose that game after playing so far above their heads. The one thing I did like is that at least Snipe gave the Browns respect when the week before he didn't. Not that the Browns deserved it before, but at least now they have a tad bit of credibility. I still think the Eagles are right up their with NE, but after Sunday I'd have to say NE's D is better. Then again, I think the Philly D just had a bad game. They're better than that. I won't be surprised at all if the Eagles blow out the Ravens this week after not living up to their billing against Cleveland. I still say, "GO BROWNS"...

ATTACK!!!!!!!

The Browns played very well, clearly above their heads.

The NFL is like that, which is why they play the games.

The Browns stopped running after the 1st half because the Eagles D adjusted to the cut back lanes by realigning their tackles. That's what Eagles D coordinator Jim Johnson said anyway. If you look at the YPC avg for the second half for the Browns, it was under 4 yards, so Johnson apparently made the right adjustments.

I agree though, the Eagles D had a pretty sub par game. The offense most certainly did not though...

Yes, the Browns muffed two kicks, (here it comes) but TO and Pinkston both dropped bombs(one of which would've ended the game as time expired- damned pinkston!) There are mistakes made by every team every week on both sides of the ball. It's part of the game. The Eagles also finished the game without Westbrook(who will probably miss this weeks game too), which certainly did not help....but injuries are also a part of the game.

The spread for the Eagles Browns game was 7pts. Without the terrible roughing the passer penalty, the Eagles would've covered. But again, such is life.

I'm having a hard time getting a handle on this weeks Eagles game. I detect a low scoring slug fest with lots of D. I think this is a game that can bite you on the butt, but i'll go ahead and predict a 14-7 Eagles win this week anyway.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

I like Eagles: 24, Ravens: 7...

ATTACK!!!!!!!

That would work for me.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

Eagles, 7-0.

First time in franchise history.

TO, 8 catches for about 105 yds and a TD against arguably the best defense in the NFL. 5th straight game with 100+ recieving yards. New team record.

Owens also became just the 7th Player in NFL history to catch 90 or more TD passes...in just his 9th season. He now has 9 TDs for the year..and it's not even half way over.

Amazing player having an amazing season.

McNabb had a just OK day, but threw 1 TD, and again-no interceptions. McNabb did have a fumble at the 1 yard line that was almost an exact replay of the Culpepper MNF game fumble(in the exact same spot on the field to boot). Great defensive play by the Raven player that forced it.

Kearse picked up his fifth sack of the year, and forced another fumble. Dawkins also forced a fumble, and SS Michael Lewis had an INT in the endzone. Eagles recovered two fumbles on Defense.

Baltimore rushed for only 110yds, and threw for only about 150yds. The Ravens could score only 3 points until there was about 4:30 minutes remaining in the game. Eagles D looked very good today, as it should against a mediocre offense. The Ravens D is no joke, they also played very well today. It was a VERY physical game.

Were it not for TO, the Eagles would've had a very difficult time winning this game. Of course, that was the whole point in going out and getting the 2d best WR in the game today.

Westbrook did not play in today's game.

This years Eagles team would CRUSH any of the previous 3 Eagles teams that went to the NFC championship game. For the first time under Reid, the Eagles have a complete offense, defense, and top notch special teams. They are a very well balanced and explosive big play team with no glaring weaknesses.

Most importantly, the Eagles now have a 2 1/2 game lead in the NFC for the #1 seed in the conference.

The Giants were able to stay within 2 1/2 games in the NFC East thanx to the absolute STOMPING they put on the hapless Vikings.

I didn't see that game, what the HELL happened to the Vikes? I was really counting on them beating the Giants to give the Eagles a 3 1/2 game lead in the NFC East. I knew the Vikes had no D, but c'mon...giving up 34 points at home vs the Giants?

How do you lose by 21 points to the Giants at home?

Was it turnovers? That final score stunned me. I had no idea the Vikes would have THAT much trouble against what is really just a wild card team- especially at home.

Then again, if i am not mistaken, the Vikings have yet to beat a team with a winning record this year.

Regardless, the Eagles are clearly the class of the NFC. The NE Pats until proven otherwise are clearly the class of the entire NFL.

Now i'm gonna go watch and see if the Pittsburgh steelers can stop that NE juggernaut. I predict a 14-10 NE win in that one.

Pitt's next opponent is of course the Eagles(in pittsburgh). Talk about a tough schedule....two undefeated teams in a row. If Pittsburgh wins today, i predict they'll lose to the Eagles next week. If Pitt loses today, i think it will be VERY difficult for the Eagles to win next week in Pitt. Either way, next week's Eagles-Pitt game should be another physical low scoring slug fest.

BTW....i predicted a 17-7 final in the Eagles game against the ravens. The final was 15(missed 2 pt conv)-10. I was pretty close.

PS...did i mention the Eagles were











<font size=5><b>7-0!!!</b></font id=size5>

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

Is it safe to say the winner of next week's game between Pittsburgh and Philly is the team to beat in the NFL?

Man, what a clash this will be.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

Chiefs showing some signs of life. Dismantleing the #1 rated rush defence last week with an NFL record 2 players rushing for 4 touchdowns each.(and lots of other stats)
This week the Colts and Manning losing 2 games in a row for the first time in 30 games!

I think we now see what the Vikes are without Moss.

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us". George Orwell

Fighting For Justice With Brains Of Steel !
<img src="http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/atengun2X.GIF" border=0>

_________________
The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

Chiefs O looked awesome.

Chiefs D looked to be a combonation of inept, lost, and stoned.

Great game though. Super entertaining.


"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

Correction: Kearse had two sacks and a forced fumble in yesterday's game. He now has 6 sacks in 7 games.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

Let it be known that my ties with the Oakland Raiders where broken along with Rich Gannon's vertebrae. I simply cannot take any more of the imploding that is generated from the front office and one man in general Al Davis. If I stay with this team I will no doubt become an alchoholic, homeless, and Snipe will find me in a maytag box on the streets of Philly durring one of his nocternal repo runs.



Now I am a free agent fan in search of a team, while I do like the Eagles, I cannot out of good faith jump on a teams bandwagon while times are good. I am thinking I will probably start rooting for Detroit, they are up and comming. I like Steve Mariaucci, and Joey Harrington as well as Jason Hansen are local boys done well....

Unless Gannon signs with somone other than Tampa next year, I think I am gonna be rooting for the motown Lions, though Cleveland has some appeal as well.

any opinions about Jerry Rice taking Largents number?

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us". George Orwell

Fighting For Justice With Brains Of Steel !
<img src="http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/atengun2X.GIF" border=0>

_________________
The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

Yeah....

That pissed me off as well. First the has been whines his way out of Oakland, then he whines to Seattles front office about using Largents jersey...Then he desecrates its memory by dropping two very catchable balls in his first game as a Seahawk...Just think if someone goes to San Fransisco and wants Rice's #80...Jerry would have a fit. IMHO Jerry should invest in depends and retire, his level of play now, is making his greatness then, and his future legacy really diminish. I know the guy has like 342 miles recieving, but its time for him to go. BTW, Jerry does not come close to being the class act Steve Largent was, he is still Seattles favorite son, and the greatest player to ever where the Blue, Silver & Green for the Sea Hawks. Largent used to eat Lester Hayes lunch, when Lester at the time was considered the premier cornerback in the league, speech impedement and felonies notwithstanding.

agreed, I saw many games of Largent. Would have been nice for Jerry to step up and publicly decline an offer from Largent.

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us". George Orwell

Fighting For Justice With Brains Of Steel !
<img src="http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/atengun2X.GIF" border=0>

_________________
The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

It's all about the ego.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

Hey Vette and Frogger. Those two young Eagles corners you were worried about....

Lito Sheppard was just named NFC Player of the month, and Sheldon Brown was just signed to a six year contract extension.

Told you bro's, those kids can play.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

Well, the Eagles are taking on the Steelers today. Not sure who'll win, but i'll go ahead and boldly predict a 17-13 Eagles victory anyway.

Should be a great game.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.

I think your a little low on your score sniper.

I'm going with 24 17 and the eagles winning (of course)!

_________________
\"I dream of a better tomorrow, where chickens can cross the road and not be questioned about their motives\"

Looks like all good things must come to an end.....nice run at being undefeated though snipe.

"face it....perhaps your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others!"

You were almost right about the 24 part, wrong team though....

Thought in the 1st Quarter that the Eagles really f'ed it up on 3d downs. On each of the first two Pitt. Drives there was a 3 and 13 opportunity and the Eagles D failed to make stops. Thought early in the first quarter Sheldon Brown made some mental Errors and wound up giving two up TDs to Ward as a result.

After the 1st Quarter the Eagles D managed to largely pull it's head from it's ass, and played pretty well, registering 3 sacks(on just 14 pass attempts), 2 turnovers, and yielding just six more points.

The run yardage was to be expected when your offense amasses just 120some yards and 15 minutes of TOP all day. The Eagles D is a speed unit set up to play in close games and with the lead. When the offense does nothing early that can cause serious problems, as it did today.

The real fault in this game belonged to the offense, and of particular note, donovon mcnabb. He had very little time, which did not help, but he made some really poor throws and bad decisions today. Pro Bowler Mayberry did not play on the O line today, and together with the other Eagles O line injuries it really showed. Also thought the Pittsburgh crowd noise was a major factor, it obviously had the Eagles O line on it's heels most of the game.
Andy Reid also must be held to task for the Eagles total lack of commitment to the run. Westbrook had very few carries, but still averaged around 4 yards a run. Of course Westbrook is far from 100%, so that could very well have a lot to do with it.
Early in the game on the road it really helps to run a lot to get the crowd out of the game. Reid's biggest fault as a coach is his disdain for the run.

Give credit to the Steelers, and for now at least, title of the best team in the league. Not sure how much that is worth in the first week of november, but nevertheless, they've earned the title. Kudos.

They have an excellent run blocking offensive line and a stable of top backs to go with a tremendous speed pass-rushing defense(very similar to the Eagles and Patriots as a matter of fact). The young QB has a good arm, but to me i saw him make some throws today that were very dangerous and get away with it. Considering how few pass attempts he really had, i don't think i can really give much of an opinion on him as a long term fix. Certainly when the running game is working as well as it did today he won't kill them with mistakes.

After having watched the Pitt Steelers beat the Pats and the Eagles two weeks in a row i do still see some weaknesses in their team, and far moreso than for the Eagles and Pats i think it's CRITICAL for them to get the early lead and not fall behind. I think it's pretty likely that if they play a top team on the road they're just as vulnerable to getting their clock cleaned as the Steelers proved the Eagles and Pats are.

As far as losses go, one out of conference loss is pretty irrelevant, and the only way any of today is a problem is if the Eagles face Pitt in the Super Bowl. Eagles have a couple 'easy' games in a row now, and will be headed to NY in three weeks for the divisional showdown. Eagles should go into that game with a record of 9-1.

Next week the Eagles play the Cowboys, and i'm quite sure that i would not want to be a cowboy next sunday.

"Molon labe".
Leonidas, King of Sparta,
Thermopylae, 480 B.C.