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I'm a long-time fan of the Hawg, but never involved with it while in the Air Force. I visited my brother last weekend, who lives in Overland Park, KS., and I've got a couple of questions that we have. 1. We drove around the now-defunct Richards-Gebaur Regional Airport (It's more fun to call it "Dickie Goober"), which is mostly commerical/industrial use today. We saw 6 hangers or shelters on what I believe is the north end of the property, visible from a highway that passes by there. Were those shelters built specifically for the A-10 during it's time at RG?
2. We also have the TP round shell casings that are handed out at the Whiteman AFB airshows by the Hawg reserve unit assigned there. Is there any difference between the TP round and a live round (API or other) shell casing? The TP casing is more greenish in color. Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions.

well the greenish color could just be the shell casings oxidizing.

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Westfield,

I was going to refer you to Dice's website but it appears as though his weapons page is down. So, I'll give you the information I have on the casings in front of me.

1. Green Shell Casing = Depleted Uranium
2. Red Shell Casing = HEI

also each casing is stamped with it's contents.

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saw lotsa party mix but have never seen a red casing. <img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Hey Westfield,

Those hangers on the North end I believe hadnt been used for the A-10's. When they were there (I don't remember too far back, but I do remember) They were mostly parked in the closer blue and tan ones closer to the tower. I live like 2 feet from the base, (not quite, like 1/3 of a mile or less) and I always used to love watching the Hawgs fly. Well, if its 150 highway, then those hangers are the ones I thought. Hope that helps.

Paul

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Hawg166, here's a pic for you..

http://www.anfam.com/usaf_tarheel/30MM.jpg

and here's the documentation for it...

http://www.anfam.com/usaf_tarheel/30MMdoc.jpg

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Hitler, interesting, I have never seen a red shell case either?? All the ammo I've ever see has the same green color and the only way to tell the differance between TP/HEI/API (after firing of course) is the PGU number stamped on the case. If I remember right it's PGU-14 TP, PGU-15 API, and PGU-16 for HEI. I will have to lookinto this a little today and I have a feeling this may be one of those time we all learn something new.

Ugly But Well Hung

Yeah Dice i'm with you it is interesting. The only thing different I have ever seen is the different color of the projectile itself. Color me dumb. <img src=newicons/idea.gif border=0 align=middle>

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The clues on the case seem to indicate it's HEI, but I'm hard-pressed to call that a 16 after the PGU-. From the base it looks like it was manufactured in '77. But then, I'm not a load toad or weapons guy, just a Hawg fan, so what do I know!

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Dice,

The picture didn't show up all that well but if it will help you or the rest of the guys here's what's written on the casings.

28109850-001P
30MM HEI PGU-13\B
0L-20-20-77

Then on the bottom is

28107310-L
USE 3-4-77

Using that last bit of info I'd have to agree with 30MM that it was 77 or prior vintage ammo but then again I'm not a Load Toad either.. BTW where are all the load toads around here...



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Edited by - Lil Hitler on Dec 09 2004 10:06 AM

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how is a shell certified as demiled and if you own one without a certificate what are the consquences.

We think (still looking into it) the PGU-13B mean it was one of a few lots of tracer rounds bought from 1973-179 which were used during gun testing. The red case color was insure the round was not loaded into a combat aircraft by mistake.

Hitler, you may had a colloctors item there.

Ugly But Well Hung

Dice if that's the case then we "Houston we have problem" because these casings came from either OIF or OEF.

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WELL, HERES MY MY THOUGHT,SOMEONE SOMEWHERE WAS CLEANING OUT "30MM" DUMPS,JUST LIKE WHEN WE FOUND ALL THOSE 1966-67 MK-82'S THAT WERE MIXED WITH THE 75-76 LOTS.
THAT COULD OF CAME OUT OF "DEEP" STORAGE DICE, LIKE THOSE BRANDNEW 1976 METRO VANS AND CHEVY TRUCKS WE GOT IN 1990. THAT PRE POSITION STUFF AND THIS GOT MIXED IN.
BUT IF IT IS A "HOLY SHELL CASE" SOME NEED TO FIND THEIR WAY TO A "HOGPEN AREA".

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Thanks for the replies...I didn't know if trying to find an API or HEI round casing would be worth the effort, but the TP one is fine with me. Jetman, that was the second time my brother and I have driven around the old base this year. I was down there in 1997 for an airshow once, too, and could see where the 442nd kept their jets. We weren't sure what the shelters were on the north end, though.

I was going to say, the case is green for TP too. It's anodized or something, not oxidation. I'd agree that the red was some special lot of ammo used for something or other, or an old method of doing things that got changed out real early.

Mattlot, here we're talking about the casing itself, without a load. No problem, as it's worth little more than the novelty value. Then there's dummy rounds, which have an inert "bullet" and no powder or primer. No problem.

I think there's a couple of people on this board that have live rounds, I don't know of any legal concerns with them.

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LITTLE BILLY,
YOU'LL GET A NICE RED CASE AS SOON AS SANTA GOOSE FINDS
THE HIDDEN"30MM AMMO CART"<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

BUT I DID SEE AT LAST MONTHS GUN SHOW,A FELLOW SEELING INERT 20MM ROUNDS 2 FOR $9.00 PLUS A 40MM SHELL TOO MUCH FOR ME!
I NEVER REALLY WORKED ON ANYTHING WITH A 20MM.
I ASKED ABOUT 30MM ROUNDS HE TOLD ME HE WOULD TRY AND BRING SOME THIS SHOW THIS COMMING WEEKEND. HE SAID HE SELLS THEM FOR $25.00 EACH.
WE'LL LOOK AND SEE IF THEIR THE "REAL DEAL".
BUT ROCK ISLAND IS ABOUT 2 1/2 HOURS NORTH WEST OF HERE MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE A DETOUR.

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I got a 105mm howitzer casing,, a nice shiny one, from an AC130 a cuple months ago. Cant figure out what to do with it.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>how is a shell certified as demiled and if you own one without a certificate what are the consquences. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Looks like someone from AMMO Inspection section has to do the certification. I see no consequences to not having one. That demill letter was just to get those casings out of the AOR,

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and I hadn't even the courtesy to thank her".
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Dice if that's the case then we "Houston we have problem" because these casings came from either OIF or OEF.

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I don't know Hilter, are you sure they were fired by an A-10? I have never see (doesn't mean much) a red case on any A-10 30mm ammo. Also I don't think we would be using a 77 era lot of HEI because the 30mm power has went through a least two changes/upgrades in the past 20 years.

I'll keep trying to found an answer, maybe I can call the company that makes the 30mm rounds and see what they say.

Ugly But Well Hung

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And if they have a bunch just, you know, laying around, you know of a market for them!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> (After the Hawg History Dept. gets theirs, of course!)

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Dice,

They either came from OIF or OEF, that I do know for a fact. As to which I'm not sure I picked up 3 HEI and 3 DU rounds. However that's divided between both operations. As to which airframe fired them I can't swear to that but here's what I do know.

Duing OEF The Tac P's (which by the way LOVE the A-10) told us that while they couldn't call in a specific aircraft they had learned that they could call for a specific ordance so they would request 30MM and the only aircraft in the area at the area that could provide it was the A-10. (I don't know if this is fact but that's what we was told).

Now as for OIF, well we had so many aircraft there it's possible that some of the rounds could have gotten mixed up once it was returned to the Ammo dump. But then again how many other airframes fire the size round? I know the HH-64 has a 30MM but it's a different size.

JackB - you where over there for OEF, Did you see or pick up any of the red shell casings

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Edited by - Lil Hitler on Dec 10 2004 1:20 PM

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I still dont have internet hooke dup in my aprtment, and this page is blcoked at work, so I can only come here from the library. That's why its taken me so long to get to this thread.

Those red shells you have Hitler, correct they are from OEF. I got a few of them too when we came back. I remember very well, because there was like a whole garbage pail full of them, and they said the people who deployed would have first crack at them, but since we (you, me, jw, base....) all didn't get back until 6 weeks after everyone else, all that was left was half a mailcrate of shells. I remember getting mine the night we left for that super-fun TDY to Nevada. I'll take a look when I get home today and see exactly what is stamped on it.



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