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PostPosted: 11 May 2005, 05:05 
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AF Elite Troops Find Ways To Adapt
Associated Press
May 9, 2005

HURLBURT FIELD, Fla. - In the shadow of their better-known Army and Navy counterparts,
Air Force commandos have been sent into Iraq and Afghanistan so frequently that strains
are showing in many corners of their secretive world.

Wear and tear on their specialized helicopters and airplanes is mounting, as is the human
toll in lives lost and families separated. Spare parts are in such demand for special
operations aircraft now seeing action that those remaining at Hurlburt are not fully
ready for training.

"We're wearing 'em down," says Lt. Col. Don Timpson of the 19th Special Operations
Squadron, which trains air crews. He was referring to pilots who fly the AC-130 gunships,
MC-130 Combat Talon airlifters and other specialized airplanes and helicopters that
require extensive training.

Their planes are equipped with radar and electronic gear to enable them to penetrate
enemy airspace undetected at night as well as guns and cannons capable of exceptionally
heavy fire on a target.

Timpson and other officers are using flight simulators much more to train new pilots and
keep veterans proficient because they sometimes cannot practice in the air for lack of
planes.

At their Hurlburt Field headquarters on Santa Rosa Sound, in Florida's Panhandle, air
commandos point with pride to the furious pace of their service in the war on terror
since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

"We are going just full throttle" to get additional air commandos trained, said Col.
Thomas Hull, vice director of operations for Air Force Special Operations Command.

One unit, the 8th Special Operations Squadron, was the most-deployed squadron in the
entire active-duty Air Force in 2002 and 2003. It flies the MC-130E Combat Talon I, now
in its fifth decade of use to deliver and retrieve forces behind enemy lines.

Likewise, elements of the 20th Special Operations Squadron, which flies the MH-53J Pave
Low helicopter, have been serving in Afghanistan and Iraq almost continuously since
September 2001. Finally getting a six-month break, all members of the unit were home
together for the first time last Christmas. Now some are back in Iraq for another tour.

Smaller in number than the Army's Green Berets and less glamorized than the Navy's SEALs,
the Air Force's 12,000 special operations airmen are rarely mentioned publicly for their
contributions during the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the hunt for terrorists.

Their specific missions, often classified secret, fall generally into five categories:

-Training and advising foreign air forces, for which they have extensive language study.

-Providing secret airlift of troops and supplies through hostile or politically sensitive
air space, as they did in the initial stages of the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions.

-Aerial refueling of special operations aircraft and helicopters. An Air Force Reserve
unit, the 919th Special Operations Wing, was in such demand for helicopter refueling
during 2001-03 that it was mobilized for 24 months - the maximum allowed.

-Providing close-air support of ground forces with AC-130 gunships, packed with a unique
combination of firepower, including a side-shooting cannon that fires 105mm shells that
weigh 33 pounds each.

-Assisting other ground forces, mainly with "special tactics" commandos, to scout
potential landing zones, identify small or mobile ground targets for air attack, manage
air traffic and provide weather data. They include an elite medical force called the
pararescue jumpers, who are trained to parachute or jump from helicopters to save downed
air crews.

One such unit, the 24th Special Tactics Squadron, is among secretive "special mission
units," including the Army's Delta Force and the Navy's SEAL Team 6, used for
counterterrorism and other secret operations not publicly acknowledged by the government.


Much of their work is classified. But they were featured in 2001 photos showing U.S.
troops riding horseback with Afghan fighters in northern Afghanistan as they located
targets for airstrikes against the Taliban. And Air Force commandos were among the first
U.S. troops to cross into Iraq at the start of the war in 2003, to set up refueling and
rearming points in remote areas.

Chief Master Sgt. Jim Mowry, the senior adviser to the Air Force Special Operations
commander on issues involving enlisted airmen, says the past 3 1/2 years have been the
busiest for air commandos in decades. He sees no significant drop in morale among his
troops.

"Morale as a whole is very, very high, and that kind of surprises me for a number of
reasons, primarily because we are working our folks really hard and some of them have
been on multiple deployments with little time (off) in between," Mowry said.

Hull, the vice director of operations, said that while the command remains busy, the pace
has slackened from two years ago, when the demands of an Iraq invasion were added to a
heavy workload in Afghanistan.

"We were nearly tapped out" of wartime resources at that point, he said. "That was pretty
near the whole shootin' match. Then what we ended up having to do is kind of regroup and
draw back and say, `What is it we can sustain?'"

In recent months the command has worked out a unit rotation so airmen and their families
know a year in advance when they will go overseas.

As a re-enlistment incentive to the most experienced air commandos, the Pentagon is
offering bonuses for certain "critical skills" of up to $150,000 for a six-year
re-enlistment.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,1 ... ESRC=eb.nl

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>They include an elite medical force called the pararescue jumpers <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

Those guys rock...

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> certain "critical skills" of up to $150,000 for a six-year re-enlistment.
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And they're all worth every penny of it...

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What you said- Amen!

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from what I've heard the PJs are the most cross trained personelle in the whole armed forces, medical, E&E, special weapons etc.

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You betcha...

Unfortunately I had to get rid of my collection of certain "Gentleman's Special Intrest" magazines. A shame as one of them had an article about one of the most highly decorated / battle experienced PJ's.

That guy was awesome he could literally throw himself out the plane, parachute onto a mountain, rappel down to an injured soldier, administer major tramua medical aid whilst fighting off the bad guys climbing up the same mountain, call in support and then sight tight until the backup arrived.

The article also suggested that when AF1 crosses the Altantic / Pacific a transport full of PJ's flys with it until the half way point, where another transport of PJ's that's taken off from the destination point to meet it and flies with AF1 to the final destination whilst the first lot fly back.

I'd be interested to know if that was genuine or not as it suggests awesome levels of support and organisation.

Well I suppose the contents of AF1 is just about the most important cargo in the world so it warrants that kind of attention...

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If I remember right, thier motto is "That Others May Live"
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"from what I've heard the PJs are the most cross trained personelle in the whole armed forces, medical, E&E, special weapons etc."

I'd be stunned if that honor did not go to delta.

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All Special Operations Medicas go through the same level of training.

The Marine Force Recon uses SARC Corpsman (NAVY), Army Jump School, USN Combat Divers School, Ranger School, ADvanced Green Beret Medical Course...etc .etc .etc.

All the services Special Operations Medics are invested into heavily.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> All the services Special Operations Medics are invested into heavily.
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I'm not suprised there is so much emphasis on medical support, when you consider how valuable and highly trained the Special Forces are that these medics will be looking after.

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