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I thought I would clear up some A-10C info. Battle Creek and Baltimore are the first two units(sts) for the PE mod. I saw the whole timeline, but didn't really care about it too much. BL is that the first jets back with the full (Not the MFD mod) mod will be as soon as 1 year from now. Then we can anticipate a trip to the sand and test out the systems. Hawg with JDAMs??

I'm hearing the same! There's a sign up list in the office for P.E. support at nellis for a about a 7 month period.

A buddy of mine just PCS'd to Nellis, he said the C-models of peices of shit. Always broke. I told him thats just how the jets were when they got the CMS mod, say goodbye to code ones for a while. It took a while, but specs got it figured out, and now we hardly ever have problems with that. I hope the C models is the same way, that it only takes a little while to get all the bugs worked out of it.

They say that the only two things certain in life are death and taxes. I prefer them in that order.

Treat'em with respect,rub their belly,talk nice to them.
She'll come out of it,just like Jack said.

They just had "Surgery " they need time to heal.
I think we all went thru it with one MOD or another the "TEMS" mod comes to me first <img src=newicons/anim_cussing.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/madani.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/bounce.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> then later on after the bugs were killed-off <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

Same with the AIM-9 package mods,main gear R&R etc...

I left the jet when the first Strip lights came on,so its all
"New from there to me".

Goose

LIVE FREE OR DIE

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The mod i hate the most right now is the IEPU!!!!!
What Junk! I don't think the thing has worked more that 3 days in a row since it was installed. Many Ground aborts and manual Tems downloads.

Please remember there are no A-10C model aircraft on the ramps today. The jets at Nellis and Eglan are A-10As working under a T-2 mod flying under a DT&E program. Calling them C models is like saying the YA-10s of the early 70s are the same as an A-10 flying today.

I would also like to make one more point, we are under a DT&E program to find the problems in both hardware and software so they can be fixed pry to producing the first A-10C...that's what DT&E is.

Ugly But Well Hung

Good point Dice, I'll be sure to pass the word on.

They say that the only two things certain in life are death and taxes. I prefer them in that order.

It's furstrating that SO much misinformation about the whole PE program is floating around. Trying to get all that info straight for anyone is about as easy as nailing Jello to a tree unless you live in it every day.
I will say that we are looking forward to the Guard joining us for test. Their maintainers will be welcome though more bodies would be nice in both the Weapons and Spec flight since thats where the work load is. IMHO of course.

Dice is right, the Gaurd won't be able to call their Jets joining us the "First" A-10C's though, at least not until one is done after kit proff.

BRAC definetly killed my PE travel plans to Nellis and DM. What was supposed to be our first PE jet 640, will realistically be our first jet we transfer to another unit. Now that we have relinquished our PE slots, I imagine the jet will go to Ft. Smith or Battlecreek. When are you heading to Korea JMF422nd? I believe your right about the F-111's, they installed new mods that were already under contract and then were transferred to AMARC!

Headed there in March. Goin' to the 25th. Too bad your not goin to make it out KungFu. You know if Van's headed this way?

JMF,
I'll be inbound to the 25th around 1 Apr...see ya there!

ATTACK!!!!!!!

I have to agree all mods have their bugs which need to be worked out which include retraining of personnel in use, operation, troubleshooting, and repair before they can be effective. A perfect example is the installation of the nvis lighting system. This was by all comparisons a simple modification however, I can’t remember the number of Code “3’s” attributed to something as simple as the switch being left in the “Official” position. So as Goose said just hang in there scratch her belly, rub the nose, caress w-79 when closing it and give her a tap on the wing tip as she taxies out and you’ll be flying code 1 missions once again in no time.

capche-capche da - we go forward together

Faugh ah Ballaugh -Clear The Way-

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Just to give you an idea of where the entire A-10 program is today (in my humble view) I made this yesterday. Remember for something to be funny it must have a ring of truth to it......

<img src="http://www.warthogpen.com/humor1_files/road_runner_2.jpg" border=0>

Ugly But Well Hung

Dice, now that's some funny shiiii... I've never been in depot but I've sure had days I felt like that.

capche-capche da - we go forward together

Faugh ah Ballaugh -Clear The Way-

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JMF422nd,
My last conversation regarding PE support in Nellis, Van said he was going in the Nov-Dec time frame, once the two ANG jets got to you(422nd) for acceptance. Our upcoming ORI and transition to 15's pretty much takes me out of the loop these days. Things within the PE schedule seem to change from day to day.

I know all bout shedual changes. Our latest was sometime this month, early next month, or hell whenever the depot can put her out. Too bad you guys couldn't come out early for some FAM. We're just now starting to work into a rythme for PE related breaks.

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Roger that Warthog30.

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Does anyone else find this statement odd?

I realize ORI's are necessary to affirm C status but ORI's are expensive and in this case, probably not even needed.

WTF?

OC

Now that you mention it, yes. What happens if they fail the ORI.

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Maybe they'll take the A-10 away.

My point is, the 104th will do their usual fine job but not before a huge amount of $$ are expended in the form of man days, extra parts clearing those pesky K write-ups that could easily have waited until phase, technician comp time, extra sorties so the pilots can get all those squares checked which screws up the phase flow and all the other crap that happens before an ORI. Then, one or two years down the road, the word comes down..ship those aircraft south, the conversion has begun.

OC

The statement isn't odd when BRAC has pretty much ended our involvement with the A-10, and "realigned" us with a F-15 mission. Battlecreek has taken over Barnes PE slots. Our only involvement is a jet that we provided Nellis for testing. Our focus will be passing an ORI, that many other ANG units have had to relook at the way they do business inlight of AFI 21-101 changes. PE is a modification that our unit probably won't ever see after the BRAC recommendations begin to unfold. I'm not sure what the implecations of a possible UNSAT ORI rating would be. Last I knew other units are is still on track with their inspection retakes despite what BRAC recommends for their base/mission. A lot of priorities shifted after the revised BRAC recommendations in August!

Good point Old Chief! The Air Force has always been efficient at wasting money! I guess I'll hurry up and wait!

Guys,

You seem to be expressing a lot of concern about the PE upgrade to the Hog. I work for Lockheed Martin in Owego, NY, and I did the design of the Armament Logic Module that is part of the PE upgrade. As you may have heard, there have been problems in getting the first few aircraft wired up and checked out. There have been design problems, software problems, and wiring problems. However, as several people have pointed out, this is to be expected on any major aircraft modification. I can tell you that on the first flight with real weapons, the test pilot fired the gun, dropped bombs from TER's and launched rockets. The only problem encountered was the failure to release the rockets from station 2, and this turned out to be due to the fact that the loaders did not insert and lock the rockets in the launchers properly. (Or so I've been told). In short, the first weapons flight was a great success! So hang in there and take a lot of the negative rumors that you hear with a grain of salt. When this thing is done, you'll be ready to take on Darth Vader.

Bob

Hey BigHogFan, Welcome.
Wow, weapons didn't load a pod right after not loading for years huh.
Well hell, I'm not sure if I'd talk about designing the ALM portion of the CICU yet. Not with all the problems/headaches its causing, and the fact that it represents a great big single point failure in weapons delivery when it doesn't work as advertised. Careful when throwing stones at the hardworking maintainers that will sustain this weapons sytem for years to come when LMSI has moved on to another moneymaker.

Your right though, we are in test and the MANY issues with PE should be worked out before fielding.

JMF422nd, a little senitive that aren't you? All he was doing was pointing out what a success the first weapons tests were and he didn't state "those dumb-a$$ weapons troops" or anything like that, now did he. The rocket wasn't locked...happens a lot, big deal, I don't see the need to attack him, and his work, on this forum. <img src=newicons/Whatever_anim.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ugly But Well Hung