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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2006, 22:45 
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Just out of curiosity,

How do Airmen go to college on active duty? I have heard that it is mandatory for everyone in the Air Force to attend college courses, and that they have some kind of accredited Air Force college on the bases. Can anyone tell me if this is true?

In the Navy, we have a Navy College office that assists us in choosing a civilian college and degree program. Off duty education is not mandatory, yet, but it is held in high regard on Evaluations, Fitreps, promotion boards etc...

There is some plans to make Assosiate degrees mandatory for advancement to E-6 and above in the next few years.

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Let me try to answer your questions in the order you asked them

Most bases have an education office that assits with off-duty education. Here at my location there are several colleges represented on base, U of South Carolina, Villinova, Embry Riddle and the local Communtiy College just to name a few. The classes are packed everynight, it is a great oppurtunity to get an education on uncle sugars dime.

No, it is not mandatory everyone attend college in the AF.

The Accredited College you are talking about is called the Community College of the Air Force. Also the AF looks upon college education the way you say the Navy does. It is an essential requirement for good performance reports once you make E-7 and if you want to be competitive for E-8 or E-9. Here are the requirements to earn a CCAF degree.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Degree Completion Requirements

Degree programs consist of a minimum of 64 semester hours with requirements typically as follows:


Sem Hours

Technical Education 24

Leadership, Management, and Military Studies 6

Physical Education 4

General Education 15

Oral Communication 3

Written Communication 3

Mathematics 3

Social Science 3

Humanities 3

Program Elective 15

Total 64

Leadership, management and military studies; physical education; general education; and program elective requirements are identical for all programs.

A student needs to hold the journeyman (5) level in the appropriate AFSC at time of program completion. Attaining the journeyman level is waived for a student in occupational specialties that do not have journeyman levels.

A student must complete all degree requirements before separating, retiring or becoming a commissioned officer.
Residency Requirement (16 semester hours)

A student must have a minimum of 16 SHs of CCAF credit applied to his or her degree program to graduate. The 16-semester-hour residency requirement is only satisfied by credit earned for basic military training or coursework completed in an affiliated school or through internship credit awarded for progression in an Air Force occupational specialty.

Technical Education Requirement (24 semster hours)

Twenty-four semester hours are required to fulfill the technical education requirement. Twelve semester hours must be applied from the technical core area with the remaining 12 applied from either the technical core or the technical elective areas. Refer to individual academic degree programs for specific technical education requirements. A student can check with the CCAF counselor or advisor for advice regarding specific degree requirements and information regarding transfer credit. Requests to substitute comparable courses or to exceed specified semester-hour values in any subject or course are approved by the Academic Programs Division..

Technical education requirements are generally satisfied by entry-level and advanced degree-applicable courses at affiliated schools and through internship. However, additional technical education requirements may be satisfied by application of courses accepted in transfer, testing credit, independent study or correspondence, certification, licensure, or registry.

The following are the criteria to apply courses accepted in transfer to the technical education requirement:

Must be from an accredited institution or a recognized candidate for accreditation.

Must be taught by faculty who meet the minimum faculty professional preparation requirements of the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.

Must be listed and identified in the offering institution's general catalog.

Must not be developmental, preparatory, remedial, refresher, or review.

Must be collegiate course work relevant to the technical requirement.

Must have been completed with the equivalent of a "C" grade or better.

Must not duplicate or significantly overlap another course or test applied to the degree program.


Courses that are closely aligned by definition to the subject areas listed below may apply toward fulfilling specific technical elective requirements.

Algebra-Based Physics. Generally a sequence of courses for engineering students not pursuing a major or minor in physics or a technical program. Topics generally include mechanics, fluids, thermodynamics, wave motion, sound, light, electricity, magnetism, relativity, and atomic and nuclear structure. Prerequisites generally are high school algebra and trigonometry.

Calculus. Normally includes study of limits, continuity, derivatives, techniques of differentiation, curve sketching, integrals, fundamental theorem of calculus, exponential and logarithmic functions, basic techniques of integration, and applications of the integral.

Calculus-Based Physics. Generally a sequence of courses for engineering, physics and technical majors or minors. Topics usually include mechanics, fluids, thermodynamics, wave motion, sound, light, electricity, magnetism, relativity, and atomic and nuclear structure. Operational and mathematical analyses (differential and integral calculus) are stressed. Corequisite or prerequisite is calculus.

College Algebra. Normally includes, but is not limited to, the real number system, functions and relations, binomial theorem, matrices and determinants, logarithms, equations, sequences and series, and mathematical induction. Prerequisite is generally 2 years of high school algebra or its equivalent.

Computer Science. Hands-on use of computers in today's work environment. Use of desktop computers; concepts of mainframe computers; techniques of word processing, databases and spreadsheets; development of programming skills in Ada, Basic, FORTRAN, etc; concerns of virus prevention and detection; and data security. Computer history, hardware design, computer maintenance and management of computer systems are not acceptable.

General Biology. Normally includes study of fundamental principles of living organisms. Includes cell or subcellular structure, reproduction, heredity and development.

General Chemistry. Normally includes study of composition, structure, properties of and changes in matter, and accompanying energy phenomena as well as fundamental laws and theories including atomic and molecular structure.

General Psychology. Introduction to the major areas of psychology. Normally includes history of psychology, factors in development of the individual, human capacities and abilities, emotions and their control, and the learning process.

General Sociology. Introduction to the major areas of sociology. Normally includes nature and meaning of culture, social control and deviance, groups and associations, social institutions, social processes, ethnic relations, and social change. Emphasis is on man as a participant in society.

Human Anatomy and Physiology. Normally includes study of digestive, metabolic, nervous, muscular, endocrine, respiratory, circulatory and reproductive systems; and their application to health and hygiene.

Statistics. Basic statistical theory and application. Topics normally include descriptive statistics, probability, binomial and normal distributions, hypothesis testing, confidence intervals, correlation and simple regression, and nonparametric methods.

Technical Math. Normally includes study of applied mathematics that relates to problem solving and applications in a related technology. The level of difficulty must be equal to or higher than college algebra, trigonometry or calculus.

Trigonometry. Normally includes study of analytical trigonometry and applications to include trigonometric functions, solution of triangles and trigonometric form of complex numbers.

Leadership, Management & Military Studies Requirement (6 semester hours)

The leadership, management and military studies (LMMS) requirement may be satisfied by applying professional military education, civilian courses accepted in transfer and/or by testing credit. However, the preferred method of completing leadership, management and military studies is through attending an airman leadership school, the NCO academy and/or the Air Force Senior NCO Academy.

The following are the criteria to apply civilian courses to the LMMS requirement:

Must be from an accredited institution or a recognized candidate for accreditation.

Must be taught by faculty who meet the minimum faculty professional preparation requirements of the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.

Must be listed and identified in the offering institution's general catalog.

Must emphasize the fundamentals of management and management of human resources. Examples of acceptable courses are Principles of Management, Personnel Management, Human Resource Management, Principles of Supervision and Organizational Behavior. Examples of unacceptable courses are Small Business Management, Managerial Accounting, Financial Management, Labor and Management Relations, and other specialized management and/or business courses.

Must have been completed with the equivalent of a "C" grade or better.

Must not be developmental, preparatory, remedial, refresher or review.

Must not duplicate or significantly overlap another course or test applied to the degree program.

Physical Education Requirement (4 semester hours)

Completing basic military training satisfies the 4-semester-hour physical education requirement. Civilian courses do not apply to this requirement.

General Education Requirement (15 semester hours)

The general education requirement is satisfied by applying courses accepted in transfer or by testing credit. The following are the criteria to apply courses to the general education requirement:

Must be from an accredited institution or a recognized candidate for accreditation.

Must be taught by faculty who meet the minimum faculty professional preparation requirements of the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.

Must be listed and identified in the offering institution's general catalog as satisfying the institution's freshman and sophomore general education graduation requirement designed for transfer.

Must have been completed with the equivalent of a "C" grade or better.

Must not be developmental, preparatory, remedial, refresher or review.

Must not duplicate or significantly overlap another course or test applied to the degree program.

Must not be a special topic or problem, workshop, or similar course.

Must not be narrowly focused on skills, techniques and procedures peculiar to a particular occupation.


Courses required to satisfy the general education requirement are as follows:

Oral Communication 3

Speech. Courses that prepare students to organize oral presentations to persuade, debate, argue or inform in a clear, concise and logical manner. Emphasis must be on content and delivery. Group and interpersonal communication courses are not acceptable.


Written Communication 3

English composition. Applicable communication courses must satisfy the delivering institution's writing and composition requirement for graduation. Higher-level writing and composition courses may be applied as a program elective.

Mathematics 3

Intermediate algebra or a college-level mathematics course that satisfies the delivering institution's mathematics requirement for graduation. Courses such as accounting, business mathematics, computer mathematics, statistics (taught outside the mathematics department), history of mathematics, and mathematics for elementary and secondary teachers are not applicable. Three semester hours of mathematics are required for graduation. However, if an acceptable mathematics course is applied as a technical or program elective, a natural science course may be substituted for mathematics.

Social Science 3

Courses from the following disciplines are acceptable: anthropology, archaeology, economics, geography, government, history, political science, psychology and sociology designed to impart knowledge, develop skills, and identify goals concerning elements and institutions of human society.

Humanities 3

Courses in fine arts (criticism, appreciation, historical significance), foreign language, literature, philosophy and religion are acceptable. Applied courses that teach how to play a musical instrument, perform a dance routine, or sculpt or draw an art form are not acceptable.

Program Elective Requirement (15 semester hours)

The following will satisfy the program elective requirement:

Courses applicable to the technical education, LMMS or general education requirements.

Natural science courses that meet the general education requirement application criteria. Courses in biological, physical and earth space science are acceptable. Appropriate natural science courses are freshman and sophomore courses that satisfy the delivering institution's natural science requirement for graduation. Such courses as science for elementary and secondary teachers, health, nutrition, and hygiene are not acceptable.

Foreign language credit earned at the Defense Language Institute or through the Defense Language Proficiency Test.

A maximum of 6 SHs of CCAF degree-applicable technical course credit otherwise not applicable to the program of enrollment.
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Man, it use to be enough to be a Crewchief.
I had an ACC who went to College classes and always went to the FlightChief to get DayShift.
I said "No biggy" but when your out of class you can work nights and I'll take my turn on day shift. <img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_bs.gif border=0 align=middle>
But was ALWAYS Available for GOOD TDY's
but made sure he was always taking a class.
I didnt want to take any classes so I was just happy with nights.

That was my choice I guess,Job came first.

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Goose I understand what you are saying. I earned my CCAF in Dec 04. I only needed the five core classes. I CLEP'd three and took two. The way I see it a Associates Degree is like a HS Diploma with icing. Not as good as a BA/BS however it kinda puts a little distance between you and the guy that only has a HS diploma. I will never regret getting it and no one had to pick up my slack while I was getting it. I was working as the assistant shirt at the time and had plenty of OT because of that job, sometimes it was a struggle. After I got my degree in enrolled in an industrial maintenace degree program at the local CC. I took two classes that were full 16 week semesters, 4 nights a week, 4 hours each night. Earned 10hrs yet that just about killed me. I have been putting off going back until this coming summer. Two semesters to go for my A/S in Industrial Technoligies degree. However I am also wanting to take two classes offered here in Six Sigma and LEAN manufacturing. I wish to God I had started school years ago instead of goofing off. Now I am running out of time.

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Fender,

I dont blame anyone for getting their degrees in while you can.
Alot of guys did it and still pulled their time on the line,but this Guy just was "F---ing Playing the System".
I just know I only have a HS diploma but all that USAF training plus classes added up to 925 hrs of training,not including time on the job.
When I got hired,I went to packaging did my stint putting little bottles into little boxes but Bidded over to Parental and got a
Aseptic Set-up Operator position (basically a mechanic).
A year later Maintance put-up bids for 3rd and 2nd class Positions and you had to interview.
I guess I was the 20th person to go in,this "DICKHEAD" maintance
Director as soon as I sat down went " Well these positions arent run of the mill,you need specialized skills etc.... and said its not a "SHADETREE MECHANICS JOB"<img src=newicons/anim_bs.gif border=0 align=middle>and told me well lets make it offical,
"What makes you think your capable of this job like it matters"?

I dropped all my training cert's on the table my 623,DD-214 and my resume, and he looked up <img src=newicons/anim_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>and said "Well whats this?" I said "SHADE TREE MECHANIC TRAINING"<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_bow.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_lol.gif border=0 align=middle>
He about <img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle> and all he could do was "Oh ,I see your a Vet,Ok we'll send this over to the College to see if its transfers over to what we need"

Some Jackass called me and "Well its not the real world training but if you come in we'll give you the tests to see how much you know"
Hydro,Electrical,mechaincal, passed them all.
But I didnt get in to the job because the others had "Diploma's"
So your right it does give you a leg-up.
I just did the exact same job as a 2nd class Maintance man but $5.00 less an hour as a ASO. But I wasnt going to school,and making
$20.00 an hour in less than 18 months when I left work my rate was
$25.70 plus I had to train new operators on the systems and got another $3.00 an hour for that so $28.70 wasnt to bad for a
High School educated Shade Tree Mechanic<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
I was DAMN LUCKY!

Just miss doing it.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>High School educated Shade Tree Mechanic <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

You were more than a shade tree mechanic. All the schooling the AF afforded you paid off. You just didnt have the paper however you had the knowledge and experience. To bad they didn't give you the job you interviewed for, they would have gotten their moneys worth and then some. I think AF trained mechanics are some of the best in the world and by God that ought to count for something in corporate America.

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I had a good job though,I had a radio and a smoke deck so it was just like service


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I know a couple of folks Fender who dont have degrees, but they put their 20 yrs in and now do high-tech stuff and the company
"Loves Vets"
Anyone can get a paper saying they can do this job,but doing it is a whole nother matter.
Thats why they hire Vets,they are displined,think outside the box,problem solvers,trouble shooters and Can do the job.
So if you use one of the Veterans Job banks,VFW,American legion have one you send them your resume,you'd be surprised at all the offers you'll get.
I had 21 interviews was offered 12 jobs,and tried 3,2 were just too far to drive everyday so I went to make pharmaciticals,actually 2 of the other interviews were Drug company's too.
3 airlines,the other 6 were factories 4 of which hired Non-speaking english workers and I wouldnt work in those conditions.
But even after I went to work I was still getting go job offers,so Use the Job Asst programs of these Org's.
It might not be Aircraft Maintance,but it pays better in alot of other ways.
But I still wanted to work around Jets,

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