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PostPosted: 24 Feb 2006, 14:13 
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http://www.angelfire.com/fl/insaloco/airkills2.html

I would love to know how much shit the f-16 sqadron commanders got when the hogs turned in 2 air to air kills, the f-14 got one, the f-18's got a few, and hell even the EF-111 got a kill. But of all the aircraft on this list the slow ugly hog had to have the last laugh.


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WOW, not a single F-16!<img src=newicons/spit.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Who'd have thunk it?

I also like that the hawgs went to the old faithful gun for their kills. A lot more reliable I'd bet.

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anybody know how much was left of these choppers when they got to inspect them after the war.


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http://www.angelfire.com/fl/insaloco/airkills2.html

I would love to know how much shit the f-16 sqadron commanders got when the hogs turned in 2 air to air kills, the f-14 got one, the f-18's got a few, and hell even the EF-111 got a kill. But of all the aircraft on this list the slow ugly hog had to have the last laugh.


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None. When routing to the battle space at 35K You dont See shit skimming the deck at 500 Feet, and the Radar Angle doesnt see it either unless the pilot decides to slew the radar down. once loitering at 20K Looking for targets via Groundmapping, Contacts faster than x amount of speed get ignored by the filtering algorythems. No Target Pods were used by 16s either. The ones the 421St had were given to the Mount Spud F15E's that were just barely mission qualed 2 months prior to the conflict in WWG1. Secondly It was straight 80's Hunt by IR Mav as a poor man Ir Search Tool. A bit difficult to make sense of a Burning 50 Gallon Drum, a Soaked in the sun Dead Tank or an operating tank at 20K....unless its moving on a MSR..At night...and you have been following it or broadsiding it..even then.. If your using it, your below 15K Hunting...

The Air Planners made an altitude cap, so much of patroling was left at 15-20K to stay out of the manpad and other Threat Envelopes.

If the airplanners had allowed for Lower hunting Altitudes. I think the story would have been much differnt. There was 8 Times the number of 16s to A10's operating in the battlespace.

I would look at the mission types etc. The 16s were hunting desert shield stage, way forward of the Border attriting emplaced forces. Things that are easily seen at 20K, Trenches, Burms, Mass units on the move, Facilities. You can degrade bomb the shit out of that all day long.

The A10s were conducting CAS and manuever support and arrived during the time previous to the offensive. And those helicoptrs that go nailed were during the period of forces fleeing.

A10 has another advantage. it is Slow, which means helicopters are easier to pick out Visually. In a fighter at 450 Knots Plus, a 70 Knot helicopter looks like a non moving rock, You really have to nearly T Bone one to see it. Or catch it on the scope.

The A10 However has to look for helicopters, its one of its prime threats due to the nature of the altitude it works in. and the hide and peek ability of the Attack Helo.

A10 Pilots are looking for them as a state of mind. Its a differnt mission working Topography as compared to doing the strike mission.

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Certainly is. the 90's era heaters Dont work in the Sun or on a Hot Background " Desert Terrain in the hot afternoon. In Fact Col. Swain did indeed Attempt a Heater Shot but the Slant angle adn the Ir issues forced him to roll over and use the gun. same instance took Place with the other a10 pilot. Prime luck of being in the right place at the right time.

I believe Dice has the MEmoirs on his site, and I had posted the actual AAR's of all ACm Engagements about 4 years ago. You might beable to find them.

By the way a F15E got a Air to air kill on a Chopper by Dropping on the Coordinates with a CBU by Awacs Vectoring, he saw both chopers explode 50 Feet off the deck through the targt pod.

another Chopper was killed by buddy lasing a GBU into it.

Odd and Classic flexibility of USAF pilots.

the Marine F18C's were the first ulti Role Fighters to get the chance to Take off a from a carrier, With Bombs, To strike a target, Shoot Down 2 Migs, and then bomb their targets and make it back.

The capability of a multirole Fighter is great. But the conflicts we hav had has not presented themselves with those type of opportunities.

Trust me the Hogs wernt lookingfor an ACm engagement. It just happend for them. And they made the Choppers p[ay for sharing the air with them.


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WOW, not a single F-16!<img src=newicons/spit.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=newicons/anim_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Who'd have thunk it?

I also like that the hawgs went to the old faithful gun for their kills. A lot more reliable I'd bet.

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I did see one. It all looked like Chaff and Briquetts, not much left of them when they impact teh desert Floor and the fuel Ignites. Aluminum fully dissipates from the fire


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anybody know how much was left of these choppers when they got to inspect them after the war.


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I noticed some of the kills were from out manuevering.... how does that work? They were being tailed and out manueverd them into the ground or something? Thought that only happened in movies...?

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I had to think about it for a minute but seeing the EF-111A A2A kill, there was no other way except ramming or flying the Bad Guy into a Hill or the floor since they didnt carry anything.
The Eagle must of really did some fancy flying to get that SU without a shot.

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Wonder if the mig was dumb enought to try and fly nap of the earth with EF-111


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He was already stupid enough to Screw with a "SparkVark" if anything they just hit the Mig with a "Blast of Spark" and fry everything in the cockpit of the Mig, it wasnt called a "SparkVark" for nothing

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Goose it is your contention that spark vark could be used for birth control whipping out the nads lol


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I noticed some of the kills were from out manuevering.... how does that work? They were being tailed and out manueverd them into the ground or something? Thought that only happened in movies...?

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terrain following radar set at 200 Feet doing 500+ Knots, in the Dark with a night Hud/Flir

Get a bandit that has no Radar altimeter, No Night visibility. Steer to a Terrain Feature, and have the WSO watch with laughter.

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Buddy Lased it, EF111 Dropped it, But the laser was guided by a 15E

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I had to think about it for a minute but seeing the EF-111A A2A kill, there was no other way except ramming or flying the Bad Guy into a Hill or the floor since they didnt carry anything.
The Eagle must of really did some fancy flying to get that SU without a shot.

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GOOD SHOT!

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