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PostPosted: 18 Aug 2006, 15:31 
Yeppers, thanx a lot Coach. This is afterall THE place to come for A-10 answers.

I really appreciate the clarifications.

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Just to add a bit to Coach's comments. First Coach it's WS 23, the main wing attechment points, with is reinforced not WS 24, also WS 90 is fitted with a reinforcement (bathtub fitting) to handle the incresses number of landings expected. These are the two main "fixes" in the SLEP program but, not by far, the only ones.

If you follow the FSMP the thick skin wing aircraft will also start having problems around the 15,000 hour mark, that's why they will also be replaced with new wings if funding is alloted.

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PostPosted: 21 Aug 2006, 22:59 
How many hours is the avg Hog at now dice?

Also, Coach or Dice or whoever, what benefits do you feel new engines would add if at some point the program moves forward.

I'm curious to hear a pro describe the actual gain from a powerplant change instead of the usual hyperbole you get on the web about these things.

Thanx much fellas.

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Sniper, the Hogs have to be around 8,000-8,500 avg. I know there a number over the 10,000 hour mark.

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This would be Coach, or one of the other pilots, area. I know it's still a trubo-fan and there are limitations to it's design and by adding a few 1,000 pounds of thrust will not over-come those limitations completly.

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This was on the U.S. Air Force AIM Points websited today...

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Air Force rolls out upgraded A-10, lets contract for next lot of modification kits
BY: Michael Sirak, Defense Daily
08/22/2006

The Air Force last week rolled out the first production-version of its modified A-10 Thunderbolt II ground-attack aircraft and awarded Lockheed Martin a contract to build the next lot of upgrade kits to convert more A-10s to the new configuration.

On August 18, the service displayed the newly upgraded A-10 aircraft, now designated the A-10C, at the Ogden Air Logistics Center on the grounds of Hill Air Force Base (AFB), Utah.

This aircraft is the first of 356 1970s-vintage A-10s that the service intends to modify by 2012 under a Lockheed Martin-led Precision Engagement (PE) initiative.

PE is the largest and most ambitious upgrade in the A-10's history. It involves replacing the aircraft's analog cockpit instruments with digital displays and installing modern computers and flight controls. It also entails upgrading six pylons on the aircraft's wings so that they can deploy satellite-guidance-aided munitions such as Boeing's Joint Direct Attack Munition or Lockheed Martin's Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser.

The upgraded aircraft will also be able to operate with modern targeting

pods such as Lockheed Martin's Sniper.

"Precision Engagement capability will change the A-10 from a clear weather, visual only attack aircraft into an all-weather, multi-mission precision weapons delivery platform," said Roger Il Grande, Lockheed Martin's A-10 program director in a statement. "Specifically, precision-guided weapons will enable the A-10 pilot to engage ground targets more swiftly, accurately and from safer distances than ever before."

Lockheed Martin Systems Integration - Owego leads an industry team composed of BAE SYSTEMS, Northrop Grumman, and Southwest Research Institute.

The Air Force intends to operate the A-10 for at least another two decades

and service officials say the PE upgrades will serve to keep them viable for that long,

On August 17, Lockheed Martin announced that it received a $48 million from the Air Force to build 107 PE kits under the program's second production lot.

The Air Force let the first PE contract, a $37.8 million award for 72 kits, to the Lockheed Martin-led team in March 2005 (Defense Daily, March 31, 2005).

Hill's 309th Aircraft Maintenance Group began installing the first award production kits in March 2006.

Lockheed Martin is expected to deliver all 356 PE kits to the Air Force by around the end of the decade under contracts with a total estimated value of $168 million, according to the company.

The newly rolled out A-10C is destined for the Maryland Air National Guard, one of two guard units that will be the first Air Force squadrons to fly the upgraded jets.

The Air Force expects to conduct the first flight test of this A-10C in November. Testing will occur at Eglin AFB, Fla., and Nellis AFB, Nev., the service said.

To prepare for the flight testing, the service is conducting instrumentation and ground checks at Hill.

The service also wants to re-wing about 200 A-10s in its fleet that have comparatively thin wings that are susceptible to cracking (Defense Daily, March 16). It is also considering new engines for the Thunderbolt IIs.

"The wing upgrades are expected to begin in 2011," Ogden spokeswoman Merrie Schilter-Lowe told Defense Daily yesterday. <b>"The engines upgrades are on hold for now because of funding issues."</b>

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<i>"The upgraded aircraft will also be able to operate with modern targeting pods such as Lockheed Martin's Sniper."</i>

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I dont work for Lockheed, and i'm getting sick of them saying i do....

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Engineguy,

You must know a "Major Prudy" then She was over in the Engine section somewhere starting in 89-90 time frame.
Also an James Debney worked there and then went over to the
Manning area GS something or another.

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PostPosted: 23 Aug 2006, 11:47 
Goose,

Are you talking about Kelly AFB or another base? Those names don't ring a bell with me. But then again, I'm better at remembering faces than I am names.

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Yep Kelly AFB,
She was about 5'2" skinny as a rail but had a Baby there too a few years later. Her Husband was a Major too.

A couple of the Guys from RED looked her up when they were there passing thru TDY.
She was the BEST AMU Commander I ever had.
"ROCKY" would probably agree (Dunning) with me too

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Goose,
Like I said, the names are not familiar. Do you know what engine they worked? We managed motors for the F-15 & F-16, C-130, C-5, T-37, T-38, A-10 and Helos. Also, in another building, they did overhaul/repair of several of these engines. Could be they worked in another area that I never got to.

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She was in the A-10 side, Debney worked at the Assignments desk


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