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That's totally true.
But some members in Parliament?...
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Hopefully this will help expose them as the naive quacks they are or some of them might actually remove their balls from the purse they're stored in.

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Don't think they helped the case for closing down gitmo today. Maybe now the brits will have enough political will to raid some mosque and arrest some of the jahadist operating in the open.


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My beef is this:

That bombs have exploded in London, and without even knowing who planted them, there are those in the west who are almost willing to give a pass to the people responsible for this, but instead will point the finger at the US as if George W planted them himself (A reaction that I knew was coming, by the way). There seems to be this belief around here that if there was no resonse by the US after 9-11 and everyone just kept a stiff upper lip, then we would all be holding hands with the Islamic fundamentalists and there would have been no bombings in the past several years.

Well, I say BS! There was little to no response to the initial WTC bombing, nor the African Embassy bombings, nor the USS Cole, nor the Khobar towers, etc....and that didn't stop the violence. In fact, the violence only quickened in it's pace and was perpetrated on a much grander scale. Something had to be done, and I believe that the overall policy of changing our relationship with the Muslim world by bringing democracy to the Mideast has merit. However, it's a plan that will not bear fruit tomorrow, or next week or even next year. The fact that there are still terrorist acts does not mean it has no validity.

I am perfectly willing to admit that I don't think everything has gone swimmingly and there have been major errors and miscalculations. But I will say it again....since it's about "doing the right thing to the right subjects", then I would ask the "blame the USA" left-wing crowd to please give me your plan to permanently change the relationship between the Islamic world and the West. Please, somebody give me something....anything. If the US policy is so glaringly wrong, then there must be a simple policy that would be clear to a casual observer. Surely someone can come up with a plan that will dismantle Al qaeda and similar cells, forever change the desire of Islamic peoples to see the decadent western world destroyed, maintain access to the oil that none of us is willing to give up, and do it all without nuclear weapons.

I love how people can complain easily, but ask them for solutions, and they quiet down quick...


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My beef is this:

That bombs have exploded in London, and without even knowing who planted them, there are those in the west who are almost willing to give a pass to the people responsible for this, but instead will point the finger at the US as if George W planted them himself (A reaction that I knew was coming, by the way). There seems to be this belief around here that if there was no resonse by the US after 9-11 and everyone just kept a stiff upper lip, then we would all be holding hands with the Islamic fundamentalists and there would have been no bombings in the past several years.

Well, I say BS! There was little to no response to the initial WTC bombing, nor the African Embassy bombings, nor the USS Cole, nor the Khobar towers, etc....and that didn't stop the violence. In fact, the violence only quickened in it's pace and was perpetrated on a much grander scale. Something had to be done, and I believe that the overall policy of changing our relationship with the Muslim world by bringing democracy to the Mideast has merit. However, it's a plan that will not bear fruit tomorrow, or next week or even next year. The fact that there are still terrorist acts does not mean it has no validity.

I am perfectly willing to admit that I don't think everything has gone swimmingly and there have been major errors and miscalculations. But I will say it again....since it's about "doing the right thing to the right subjects", then I would ask the "blame the USA" left-wing crowd to please give me your plan to permanently change the relationship between the Islamic world and the West. Please, somebody give me something....anything. If the US policy is so glaringly wrong, then there must be a simple policy that would be clear to a casual observer. Surely someone can come up with a plan that will dismantle Al qaeda and similar cells, forever change the desire of Islamic peoples to see the decadent western world destroyed, maintain access to the oil that none of us is willing to give up, and do it all without nuclear weapons.

I love how people can complain easily, but ask them for solutions, and they quiet down quick...


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Amen, brother!

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my thoughts exactly Trit!

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Unfortunately, it's gotten a little bit more personal...

I found out yesterday one of the 25 unaccounted for is a guy from one of our London offices.

His face has been regulary posted on the UK news in case he's wandering round with amnesia or is stuck in a hospital unable to communicate, but after 48 hours and 25 (estimated) bodies still in a wreck 120 foot under ground, it's not looking good.

Time will tell...

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In a recent interview, Benjamin Netanyahu said something to the effect of how, now Israel, the U.S. and the U.K. are even closer than before, combined by the ties of terrorism.

I think that's what he said anyway, I heard it third or fourth hand.

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Can we nuke mecca and medina now?

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Don't suppose you'd instead warm up to the idea of the Tower Of London being restored to it's former gory glory just for your most beloved group, Al-Marijoun?

Taking the London bombing's out on sayyyyy...Eve, the most well known sister from Philly's Muslim Community could be counterproductive in it's own right, and is along the lines of one thing binny wants. For this to not be a war against terror, but against Islam in general, which gives him billions of potential allies.

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In a recent interview, Benjamin Netanyahu said something to the effect of how, now Israel, the U.S. and the U.K. are even closer than before, combined by the ties of terrorism.

I think that's what he said anyway, I heard it third or fourth hand.

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No mention of Russia? Seems they've always been odd man out since the closing days of World War Two.

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IIRC, the Chechnyans attack Russia as an opposition to the Russian involvement in Chechnyan affairs, to put it lightly. They're not into the whole Al-Qaeda, kill all the infidels crap.

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Unfortunately, it's gotten a little bit more personal...

I found out yesterday one of the 25 unaccounted for is a guy from one of our London offices.

His face has been regulary posted on the UK news in case he's wandering round with amnesia or is stuck in a hospital unable to communicate, but after 48 hours and 25 (estimated) bodies still in a wreck 120 foot under ground, it's not looking good.

Time will tell...

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Any news on your co-worker 44?

Just yesterday I was told by an Iraqi girl that lives in London that she has held a job in a pharmacy at King's station for a few years, and right outside the pharmacy's big glass window a memorial for the victims and missing people was set up.

She also said a relative of a friend, also Iraqi, insisted on returning to Iraq to get married, despite his family saying it was too dangerous to go there at the moment. Well he insisted on going anyway, and even before he was able to leave England the attacks happened..and he lost an arm in one of them.

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IIRC, the Chechnyans attack Russia as an opposition to the Russian involvement in Chechnyan affairs, to put it lightly. They're not into the whole Al-Qaeda, kill all the infidels crap.

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Well most of them aren't. There are a few radical Chechens, slightly larger number of foreigner's that migrate from conflict to conflict.

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We got the official news today, he didn't makes it.

He got caught on the bus.

I didn't know him that well, but he was on the same floor as a guy I visit often, so I'd bump into him at the coffee machine or water cooler now and again.

It's a bit of a blow, but as you all know better than I do, when fighting a war, there will always be casulties.

I guess the trick is to make sure they suffer more of them than we do...

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That's a bit of bad luck...

An Israeli women moved to London from Jerusalem because she was scared of bus bombs. She died on the same bus.

Life has a way of kicking you in the teeth sometimes...

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Very sorry to hear it, John. Life's a bitch and war is hell.

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