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Hey guys was intrigued about what type 7 said about the f-117 and wanted see the thread go, but thought it would be better to move it from a thread started about a dead marine and his distraught father.

Type 7 "Goblin is going alright. Got about another month of training. Sorta weird going from lowest tech to highest tech, but oh well. Plane does a lot on it's own, and actually does fly well. Course, being a WSO/RIO equivilent sorta sucks, but, that's what this jet requires. Hope it hangs around for a while. There was talk about reducing the fleet by 10%, but that got quashed. Goes to show, though, that this jet has no guarantees to longevity any more than the other fighters out there. Being a "single mission" platform, I'm wondering just how long it'll last (like all other single-mission platforms in this economic day and age). That, and with it's cost and maintenance man hours per flight hour, it'll be real interesting to see what it's future holds. Time was, the plane had zero problems getting funding....you want it, you got it, dollars-wise. Now days, it's a year to year like the rest of the airframes."

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I found this quote interesting didnt someone post write book about the sr-71 and that pilot did some time in the a-10. Vage in my memory the reason I ask this how hard is for the a-10 pilots to mover between the hog the more advanced faster airframes, and vice versa. Are hog pilots more prone staying with that airframe for the majority of their careers.

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I found this quote interesting didnt someone post write book about the sr-71 and that pilot did some time in the a-10. Vage in my memory the reason I ask this how hard is for the a-10 pilots to mover between the hog the more advanced faster airframes, and vice versa. Are hog pilots more prone staying with that airframe for the majority of their careers.


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Transitioning to the glass cockpit was more challenging for me than for the guys that had come from 15Es or 16s, since they were already using this stuff. 15C guys coming here had similiar challenges but for a different reason: they had to learn what the air-ground environment is all about. Generally speaking, when you go into a "primary" MDS (A-10, F-15/16) you tend to stay with that MDS since you're considered an "asset" of that MDS. There is times where you can go from one airframe to another, but that's usually after you become non-current in one MDS by either doing a staff tour, non-flying tour, UAV or F-117....ie- you become non-current in your primary MDS, so either way, the AF has to spend money to retrain you, be it back in your old airframe or a new one. Generally speaking, you don't normally go from being current in one airplane, to training in another one; though it has happened in some specific circumstances.

Type7, you get into the 8th or the 9th?

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Type7, you get into the 8th or the 9th?

"Some pup"
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Still in the 7th. Will get a reassignment in about a week.

I posted this question for you on the other thread T7, but on the chance you missed it, i'll repost it here...

"How much on that aircraft is still secret T7? Do they still do the locked and loaded guard routine with them? I saw an F-117 at an airshow in i guess 94 or so and they had the armed guards with the red tape 'do not cross' line around it.

No one tested the resolve of those airmen, lol.


Oh, and one other thing, if you can answer....does the F-117 have an AIM-9 capability? If you can't say, i wouldn't want you too, and i'm sure you won't...but it's something i've always wondered about."

Answer as you see fit Sir.



"I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum...and i'm all out of bubblegum".

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I posted this question for you on the other thread T7, but on the chance you missed it, i'll repost it here...

"How much on that aircraft is still secret T7? Do they still do the locked and loaded guard routine with them? I saw an F-117 at an airshow in i guess 94 or so and they had the armed guards with the red tape 'do not cross' line around it.

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Sorry about missing this in the other thread, Snipe. Still a number of things classified about the aircraft, and especially about the "hows" of employment, etc. They still do the armed guard routine. In fact, this excerpt is straight out of our unclassified pilot guide reference airshow displays:

Static Displays:

a. An elevated barrier <b>will</b> be placed no closer than 20 feet around the aircraft. A second elevated barrier, no closer than 30 feet, <b>can</b> be placed around the aircraft during static displays when large crowds are in attendance.

b. Requires two sentries. One sentry providing positive control via the Aircraft Commander's approved Entrance Access List and one additional sentry to positive all-around detection and surveillance. Sentries must be M-16 equipped.

c. Requires two response teams as described in b. above.

d. Local threat conditions and size of the crowd may dictate additional posting requirements. The Aircraft Commander will make this determination.

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Oh, and one other thing, if you can answer....does the F-117 have an AIM-9 capability? If you can't say, i wouldn't want you too, and i'm sure you won't...but it's something i've always wondered about."

Answer as you see fit Sir.

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Again, without going into the "hows" (which I don't even know yet in regards to this subject), look at this website:

http://www.warmachines.50g.com/planes/f ... 7_info.htm

Looking at the "armaments" portion, it makes mention of the AIM-9 and general use for it. Haven't seen any training to that, but then again, I'm not fully read in to everything either, but the plane is able to carry it. Somewhere else on the web, I saw a pic of a 117 doing release tests of an AGM-88.

With the navalised F-117N were any prototypes ever built. cold war carrying a squadran for anti-ship duties seems like it would have been a great idea.

As for using sidewinders agaisnt AWACS, what is the risk of visual?, IRST? RADAR? detection at the kind of ranges nessescary to use sidewinders? is the bay long enough to fit AMRAAM's?

MK-84-2000lbs of game ending power

talked with a who was a pay master during ww2 where his squadron docked pilots for careless damage and gambling debts. He claimed that one pilot went month without pay. Wonder how long it would cost to pay for dingedf-117, might as well shoot yourself if you ding the b-2.

But sniper the real question (that will never get answered) what took the f-117 in the Nevada desert.

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Best I know the N version was a concept only, never produced.

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As for using sidewinders agaisnt AWACS, what is the risk of visual?, IRST? RADAR? detection at the kind of ranges nessescary to use sidewinders? is the bay long enough to fit AMRAAM's?


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Haven't put much study into this one, and in any case, I doubt these particulars would be public knowlege anyway. Heck, I haven't even seen info on this yet.

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But sniper the real question (that will never get answered) what took the f-117 in the Nevada desert.


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You mean why did they move out of Nevada to New Mexico? I heard it was because a new "tenant" had moved in........

You gotta wonder, if we were flying the Have Blue in 1978, and the 117 in 1981; what have we got flying now?

"talked with a who was a pay master during ww2 where his squadron docked pilots for careless damage and gambling debts. He claimed that one pilot went month without pay. Wonder how long it would cost to pay for dingedf-117, might as well shoot yourself if you ding the b-2."

Under the UCMJ, the most you can be fined for damaging/destoying military property is 1/2 of your monthly pay rate for three months.

Believe me, i know...i sunk(actually my driver sunk it, but it's the same as sinking it yourself when you're the TC) an M-113A3 APC in a swamp once, and the OIC made sure he pointed that out to me, lol.

"But sir, i thought they were amphibious".

T7, thanx for answering all my silly questions bro.

I wonder if the AIM-9 was added before or AFTER Red Storm Rising was published, lol.

"I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum...and i'm all out of bubblegum".

snipe how did you get it out of the swamp and how did you show your face in the mess hall after that lol.

I was on TDY so no one knew me anyway, lol. That happened at Fort Dix.

They sent an M-88 in to get it. Once it was towed back to the motor pool my driver, i'll call him Pvt. Shit for brains, spent the next 12 hours scrubbing out all the pond muck until i was satisfied that the CO would accept it back into his inventory.

"I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum...and i'm all out of bubblegum".

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I was on TDY so no one knew me anyway, lol. That happened at Fort Dix.

They sent an M-88 in to get it. Once it was towed back to the motor pool my driver, i'll call him Pvt. Shit for brains, spent the next 12 hours scrubbing out all the pond muck until i was satisfied that the CO would accept it back into his inventory.

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M88s.....was watching one get work done to the road wheels after the track was removed (was trying to get a new lower radiator hose for my assigned CUCV at the motor pool). Three dudes had this 6 foot or so long bar they were using as a fulcrum to tighten the bolts for the road wheels. There was about 16 or so bolts and one guy told me they had to be tightened to 550 ft/lbs each. So these three guys were hanging off the bar and pulling on it just to get the torque wrench to click on each bolt.

Crazy, I tell you.........

M88s are serious MoFos.

"I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum...and i'm all out of bubblegum".

THe plugs for the AIM-9s are still there. They don't fly them though. The rocket burns the RAM. I don't think they even have the launchers on base.

We'll put an F-117 on display once in a while. They'll usually park a Tornado and a T-38 nearby, for visitors to see. PA wants to get intert weapons out there for the people to see too. The cordon when I was there(spent three hours getting a sunburn) wasn't even all the way around the plane, and they just had me out there. No gun either. I guess being on the flightline at home is a bit different. I do know they put the main gear doors up and closed the bays.

Anyone know if they're gonna use something like RAM on the F-22 and F-35, or a paint-like stuff like HAVGLASS?

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Anyone know if they're gonna use something like RAM on the F-22 and F-35, or a paint-like stuff like HAVGLASS?

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Yes and No. Differnt and newer technologies that allow the aircraft to operate in conditions well out of bounds of the 117.

That MAch 2+ barrier IS hazardous on all man made items Whether its chemical or an element listed on the periodic table.

Compromises are made to allow the Aircrft to operate in a design spec regime.

Never can get 100% performance in the manufacturing process, but through its service life (like all aircraft) Improvements are made allong the way. Eventually some one depletes some Brain atoms and comes up with an idea Congress will "BUY".

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